Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches.

Rugby Saint II · 07-09-2024, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

We sucked for two seasons with Dennis Allen as Head Coach. How much more proof do you need?

I don't need more proof that he sucks. I know he sucks but we'll have to see if we get better with KK.

AsylumGuido · 07-09-2024, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't need more proof that he sucks. I know he sucks but we'll have to see if we get better with KK.

We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

Sinner · 07-09-2024, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

No. Payton was a completely different breed. FACT. We were blessed for a good minute there. Now go chew on a bar of soap.

AsylumGuido · 07-09-2024, 03:18 PM

What ever it is that the sinner guy keeps posting it can be addressed with one truism.

Haters gonna hate.

Nothing else matters.

Sinner · 07-09-2024, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What ever it is that the sinner guy keeps posting it can be addressed with one truism.

Haters gonna hate.

Nothing else matters.

FACTERS (AND FACTORS) GONNA FACT.
IGNORERS AINT GONNA IGNORE. 😜

Rugby Saint II · 07-09-2024, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled.

In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies.

When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works.

AsylumGuido · 07-09-2024, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled.

In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies.

When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works.

Nepotism has always been a huge part of the entire NFL, not just the Saints. Half the great "coaching trees" are figuratively, and sometimes literally, "family trees". Some of us are excited about Klint Kubiak who studied with Kyle Shanahan and father Gary Kubiak mastering the offensive schemes of Mike Shanahan.

Rugby Saint II · 07-14-2024, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nepotism has always been a huge part of the entire NFL, not just the Saints. Half the great "coaching trees" are figuratively, and sometimes literally, "family trees". Some of us are excited about Klint Kubiak who studied with Kyle Shanahan and father Gary Kubiak mastering the offensive schemes of Mike Shanahan.

Hey, I was just damn glad to see Gary Kubiak out there at minicamp. The more input from proven coaches we can get, the better off we are. I really like Klint Kubiak's choices for his coaching staff. Almost everyone of them are grizzled veterans of the wide zone offense.

Sinner · 07-14-2024, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Hey, I was just damn glad to see Gary Kubiak out there at minicamp. The more input from proven coaches we can get, the better off we are. I really like Klint Kubiak's choices for his coaching staff. Almost everyone of them are grizzled veterans of the wide zone offense.

See? What I started as a pessimistic (somewhat realistic) post, can easily evolve into potential positives (even if potentially unrealistic), without any animosity. 😉

This is the beauty (and ugliness) of free speech. Thank you Rugs, for keeping it real.

07-09-2024, 02:05 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by Sinner We sucked for two seasons with Dennis Allen as Head Coach. How much more proof do you need? I don't need more proof that he sucks. I know he sucks but we'll have to see if we get better with KK.

07-09-2024, 02:59 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't need more proof that he sucks. I know he sucks but we'll have to see if we get better with KK. We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

07-09-2024, 03:15 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh? No. Payton was a completely different breed. FACT. We were blessed for a good minute there. Now go chew on a bar of soap.
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07-09-2024, 03:18 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. What ever it is that the sinner guy keeps posting it can be addressed with one truism. Haters gonna hate. Nothing else matters.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What ever it is that the sinner guy keeps posting it can be addressed with one truism. Haters gonna hate. Nothing else matters. FACTERS (AND FACTORS) GONNA FACT. IGNORERS AINT GONNA IGNORE. 😜
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh? I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled. In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies. When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works. Sinner likes this.
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07-09-2024, 03:37 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled. In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies. When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works. Nepotism has always been a huge part of the entire NFL, not just the Saints. Half the great "coaching trees" are figuratively, and sometimes literally, "family trees". Some of us are excited about Klint Kubiak who studied with Kyle Shanahan and father Gary Kubiak mastering the offensive schemes of Mike Shanahan.

07-14-2024, 02:33 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nepotism has always been a huge part of the entire NFL, not just the Saints. Half the great "coaching trees" are figuratively, and sometimes literally, "family trees". Some of us are excited about Klint Kubiak who studied with Kyle Shanahan and father Gary Kubiak mastering the offensive schemes of Mike Shanahan. Hey, I was just damn glad to see Gary Kubiak out there at minicamp. The more input from proven coaches we can get, the better off we are. I really like Klint Kubiak's choices for his coaching staff. Almost everyone of them are grizzled veterans of the wide zone offense. AsylumGuido and Sinner like this.

07-14-2024, 10:07 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Hey, I was just damn glad to see Gary Kubiak out there at minicamp. The more input from proven coaches we can get, the better off we are. I really like Klint Kubiak's choices for his coaching staff. Almost everyone of them are grizzled veterans of the wide zone offense. See? What I started as a pessimistic (somewhat realistic) post, can easily evolve into potential positives (even if potentially unrealistic), without any animosity. 😉 This is the beauty (and ugliness) of free speech. Thank you Rugs, for keeping it real.
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