Reasons To Be Positive

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-15-2024, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I don’t do “woulda shoulda coulda”… AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME.

THIS IS A SAINTS FORUM.

Woulda coulda shoulda is how things get better. The Saints woulda coulda should not hired Allen 3 years ago and would coulda shoulda fired him since then.

Though unlikely you may get another shot at the end of this season. Who's on your watch list? Who should the Saints Woulda Coulda Shoulda hire in January 2025?

You don't want to talk about the Saints except to dump on them. So, you and I are going keep talking about why you do that because that's about you, not the Saints.

SFIAH

Sinner · 07-15-2024, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Woulda coulda shoulda is how things get better. The Saints woulda coulda should not hired Allen 3 years ago and would coulda shoulda fired him since then.

Though unlikely you may get another shot at the end of this season. Who's on your watch list? Who should the Saints Woulda Coulda Shoulda hire in January 2025?

You don't want to talk about the Saints except to dump on them. So, you and I are going keep talking about why you do that because that's about you, not the Saints.

SFIAH

You can keep talking about ME all you like, I am here to talk about my Saints!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-15-2024, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

You can keep talking about ME all you like, I am here to talk about my Saints!

No you're not. You here to dump on the Saints. You are worse than the worst FailClown fans that I have ever encountered, and I've lived here in Atlanta for more than 40 years.

Fine. If you want to "talk about your Saints." then name exactly one positive thing that you see in the 2024 squad. Just one single encouraging thing that may pan out this year.

You've already posted about how Carr underachieves, and how Allen is an absolutely horrible coach. And that's in the last 1/2 hour.

Can you see even a glimmer of hope in the 2024 squad? If not, how can you really call yourself a fan? Because you fanatically only want an exciting team that wins championships?

I await this one with baited breath.

SFIAH

Sinner · 07-15-2024, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

No you're not. You here to dump on the Saints. You are worse than the worst FailClown fans that I have ever encountered, and I've lived here in Atlanta for more than 40 years.

Fine. If you want to "talk about your Saints." then name exactly one positive thing that you see in the 2024 squad. Just one single encouraging thing that may pan out this year.

You've already posted about how Carr underachieves, and how Allen is an absolutely horrible coach. And that's in the last 1/2 hour.

Can you see even a glimmer of hope in the 2024 squad? If not, how can you really call yourself a fan? Because you fanatically only want an exciting team that wins championships?

I await this one with baited breath.

SFIAH

Please… UN-BAIT your breath. I don’t want you to hurt yourself.

You might have forgotten that the New Orleans Saints finished last season with a winning record. They were 9-8.

It would have been more fitting if they found a way to finish 8-8-1 because since the end of the Sean Payton/Drew Brees era the Saints have settled into boring mediocrity with no end in sight.

They're 25-26 the past three seasons. They have a quarterback in Derek Carr who is 33 years old and has a $150 million contract, but Saints fans never seemed to embrace him during his first underwhelming season in New Orleans. They have a head coach in Dennis Allen who seems likely to be on the hot seat at the end of each season, only to survive to the chagrin of the fans. The Saints' top two highest-paid players for most of the offseason, in terms of salary-cap hits, were running back Alvin Kamara and tight end Taysom Hill before Hill restructured in late spring. Kamara's best days seem behind him and he plays a devalued position, and Hill will be 34 and is the pet project of a former head coach who hasn't been on the Saints' sideline since the end of the 2021 season. Hill's restructure in mid-June cleared up salary-cap space and pushed a larger cap hit to the future. That's what the Saints do.

jlouhill · 07-16-2024, 07:50 AM

Well, let’s see if we can get this train back on the tracks.
Reasons to be positive about the season.
The biggest one for me is getting rid of Carmichael. I held nothing against the guy but he’s just not an OC. Kind of like that assistant manager who knows all about the business and is good at what they do but you hand them the keys to the business and they can’t do it at that level.
To piggyback off of that I was pleased with his replacement. I’m optimistic, but we truly won’t know until the season gets rolling.
That’s the biggest reason I have to be positive about the season.
Oh yes…the start of a new season!!!
GO SAINTS!!!

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2024, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by jlouhill

Well, let’s see if we can get this train back on the tracks.
Reasons to be positive about the season.
The biggest one for me is getting rid of Carmichael. I held nothing against the guy but he’s just not an OC. Kind of like that assistant manager who knows all about the business and is good at what they do but you hand them the keys to the business and they can’t do it at that level.
To piggyback off of that I was pleased with his replacement. I’m optimistic, but we truly won’t know until the season gets rolling.
That’s the biggest reason I have to be positive about the season.
Oh yes…the start of a new season!!!
GO SAINTS!!!

Bingo! That's where a great deal of my excitement sits, as well. With five games remaining last season we were LAST in the league in pre-snap motion. That hamstrings any QB not allowing them to get that definitive read on the defense. Offenses from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree design led the entire league in pre-snap motion. If we had even a halfway competent play designer and/or playcaller we would have easily won an additional two to three more games, walked away with the NFC South, hosted a home playoff game, and had a chance to do some damage.

We have one of the best defenses in the league and it will only get better with an offense that can spend more time on the field.

Who Dat!!

jlouhill · 07-16-2024, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Bingo! That's where a great deal of my excitement sits, as well. With five games remaining last season we were LAST in the league in pre-snap motion. That hamstrings any QB not allowing them to get that definitive read on the defense. Offenses from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree design led the entire league in pre-snap motion. If we had even a halfway competent play designer and/or playcaller we would have easily won an additional two to three more games, walked away with the NFC South, hosted a home playoff game, and had a chance to do some damage.

We have one of the best defenses in the league and it will only get better with an offense that can spend more time on the field.

Who Dat!!

Again, Carmichael was in way over his head. JMO.
Having Kubiak here gives me optimism for this offense. Hopefully he can get results out of Carr and others that Carmichael just didn’t have the ability to do. If he doesn’t then that begs the question, did we misjudge on Kubiak or is Carr as bad as a lot of people say he is? Only time will tell.

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2024, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by jlouhill

Again, Carmichael was in way over his head. JMO.
Having Kubiak here gives me optimism for this offense. Hopefully he can get results out of Carr and others that Carmichael just didn’t have the ability to do. If he doesn’t then that begs the question, did we misjudge on Kubiak or is Carr as bad as a lot of people say he is? Only time will tell.

Yeah. Also, I for one don't get the narrative that some have that Carr is bad. Even while crippled by Carmichael's play design and calling he still managed to have the 6th highest completion percentage, 12th in TD %, tied for 3rd lowest interception %, 10th highest passer rate and 7th lowest sack rate among other respectable numbers. He had the 10th most TD passes in the league and 21 other starters threw more picks than his eight. It's like some people are so lazy they judged him before he ever took a snap as a Saints QB. But, haters are gonna hate.

jlouhill · 07-16-2024, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yeah. Also, I for one don't get the narrative that some have that Carr is bad. Even while crippled by Carmichael's play design and calling he still managed to have the 6th highest completion percentage, 12th in TD %, tied for 3rd lowest interception %, 10th highest passer rate and 7th lowest sack rate among other respectable numbers. He had the 10th most TD passes in the league and 21 other starters threw more picks than his eight. It's like some people are so lazy they judged him before he ever took a snap as a Saints QB. But, haters are gonna hate.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those who thinks he’s the worst QB since Ryan Leaf. He’s put up some good numbers in his career. I agree with Rez, there are concerns but they are overblown. I think with proper coaching and a good offensive line we could see a different Carr. Getting the O-line in order will be key.

jnormand · 07-16-2024, 08:19 AM

This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!”

I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP.

Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing.

07-15-2024, 09:37 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner I don’t do “woulda shoulda coulda”… AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. THIS IS A SAINTS FORUM. Woulda coulda shoulda is how things get better. The Saints woulda coulda should not hired Allen 3 years ago and would coulda shoulda fired him since then. Though unlikely you may get another shot at the end of this season. Who's on your watch list? Who should the Saints Woulda Coulda Shoulda hire in January 2025? You don't want to talk about the Saints except to dump on them. So, you and I are going keep talking about why you do that because that's about you, not the Saints. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.

07-15-2024, 09:40 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Woulda coulda shoulda is how things get better. The Saints woulda coulda should not hired Allen 3 years ago and would coulda shoulda fired him since then. Though unlikely you may get another shot at the end of this season. Who's on your watch list? Who should the Saints Woulda Coulda Shoulda hire in January 2025? You don't want to talk about the Saints except to dump on them. So, you and I are going keep talking about why you do that because that's about you, not the Saints. SFIAH You can keep talking about ME all you like, I am here to talk about my Saints!
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07-15-2024, 09:49 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner You can keep talking about ME all you like, I am here to talk about my Saints! No you're not. You here to dump on the Saints. You are worse than the worst FailClown fans that I have ever encountered, and I've lived here in Atlanta for more than 40 years. Fine. If you want to "talk about your Saints." then name exactly one positive thing that you see in the 2024 squad. Just one single encouraging thing that may pan out this year. You've already posted about how Carr underachieves, and how Allen is an absolutely horrible coach. And that's in the last 1/2 hour. Can you see even a glimmer of hope in the 2024 squad? If not, how can you really call yourself a fan? Because you fanatically only want an exciting team that wins championships? I await this one with baited breath. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-15-2024, 09:55 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,059	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL No you're not. You here to dump on the Saints. You are worse than the worst FailClown fans that I have ever encountered, and I've lived here in Atlanta for more than 40 years. Fine. If you want to "talk about your Saints." then name exactly one positive thing that you see in the 2024 squad. Just one single encouraging thing that may pan out this year. You've already posted about how Carr underachieves, and how Allen is an absolutely horrible coach. And that's in the last 1/2 hour. Can you see even a glimmer of hope in the 2024 squad? If not, how can you really call yourself a fan? Because you fanatically only want an exciting team that wins championships? I await this one with baited breath. SFIAH Please… UN-BAIT your breath. I don’t want you to hurt yourself. You might have forgotten that the New Orleans Saints finished last season with a winning record. They were 9-8. It would have been more fitting if they found a way to finish 8-8-1 because since the end of the Sean Payton/Drew Brees era the Saints have settled into boring mediocrity with no end in sight. They're 25-26 the past three seasons. They have a quarterback in Derek Carr who is 33 years old and has a $150 million contract, but Saints fans never seemed to embrace him during his first underwhelming season in New Orleans. They have a head coach in Dennis Allen who seems likely to be on the hot seat at the end of each season, only to survive to the chagrin of the fans. The Saints' top two highest-paid players for most of the offseason, in terms of salary-cap hits, were running back Alvin Kamara and tight end Taysom Hill before Hill restructured in late spring. Kamara's best days seem behind him and he plays a devalued position, and Hill will be 34 and is the pet project of a former head coach who hasn't been on the Saints' sideline since the end of the 2021 season. Hill's restructure in mid-June cleared up salary-cap space and pushed a larger cap hit to the future. That's what the Saints do. mapcow likes this.
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07-16-2024, 07:50 AM	#5
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Well, let’s see if we can get this train back on the tracks. Reasons to be positive about the season. The biggest one for me is getting rid of Carmichael. I held nothing against the guy but he’s just not an OC. Kind of like that assistant manager who knows all about the business and is good at what they do but you hand them the keys to the business and they can’t do it at that level. To piggyback off of that I was pleased with his replacement. I’m optimistic, but we truly won’t know until the season gets rolling. That’s the biggest reason I have to be positive about the season. Oh yes…the start of a new season!!! GO SAINTS!!! AsylumGuido likes this.
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07-16-2024, 08:28 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,547	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jlouhill Well, let’s see if we can get this train back on the tracks. Reasons to be positive about the season. The biggest one for me is getting rid of Carmichael. I held nothing against the guy but he’s just not an OC. Kind of like that assistant manager who knows all about the business and is good at what they do but you hand them the keys to the business and they can’t do it at that level. To piggyback off of that I was pleased with his replacement. I’m optimistic, but we truly won’t know until the season gets rolling. That’s the biggest reason I have to be positive about the season. Oh yes…the start of a new season!!! GO SAINTS!!! Bingo! That's where a great deal of my excitement sits, as well. With five games remaining last season we were LAST in the league in pre-snap motion. That hamstrings any QB not allowing them to get that definitive read on the defense. Offenses from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree design led the entire league in pre-snap motion. If we had even a halfway competent play designer and/or playcaller we would have easily won an additional two to three more games, walked away with the NFC South, hosted a home playoff game, and had a chance to do some damage. We have one of the best defenses in the league and it will only get better with an offense that can spend more time on the field. Who Dat!! jlouhill likes this.
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07-16-2024, 09:59 AM	#7
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Bingo! That's where a great deal of my excitement sits, as well. With five games remaining last season we were LAST in the league in pre-snap motion. That hamstrings any QB not allowing them to get that definitive read on the defense. Offenses from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree design led the entire league in pre-snap motion. If we had even a halfway competent play designer and/or playcaller we would have easily won an additional two to three more games, walked away with the NFC South, hosted a home playoff game, and had a chance to do some damage. We have one of the best defenses in the league and it will only get better with an offense that can spend more time on the field. Who Dat!! Again, Carmichael was in way over his head. JMO. Having Kubiak here gives me optimism for this offense. Hopefully he can get results out of Carr and others that Carmichael just didn’t have the ability to do. If he doesn’t then that begs the question, did we misjudge on Kubiak or is Carr as bad as a lot of people say he is? Only time will tell. AsylumGuido likes this.

07-16-2024, 11:09 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,547	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by jlouhill Again, Carmichael was in way over his head. JMO. Having Kubiak here gives me optimism for this offense. Hopefully he can get results out of Carr and others that Carmichael just didn’t have the ability to do. If he doesn’t then that begs the question, did we misjudge on Kubiak or is Carr as bad as a lot of people say he is? Only time will tell. Yeah. Also, I for one don't get the narrative that some have that Carr is bad. Even while crippled by Carmichael's play design and calling he still managed to have the 6th highest completion percentage, 12th in TD %, tied for 3rd lowest interception %, 10th highest passer rate and 7th lowest sack rate among other respectable numbers. He had the 10th most TD passes in the league and 21 other starters threw more picks than his eight. It's like some people are so lazy they judged him before he ever took a snap as a Saints QB. But, haters are gonna hate. SaintFanInATLHELL and jlouhill like this.
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07-16-2024, 02:25 PM	#9
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yeah. Also, I for one don't get the narrative that some have that Carr is bad. Even while crippled by Carmichael's play design and calling he still managed to have the 6th highest completion percentage, 12th in TD %, tied for 3rd lowest interception %, 10th highest passer rate and 7th lowest sack rate among other respectable numbers. He had the 10th most TD passes in the league and 21 other starters threw more picks than his eight. It's like some people are so lazy they judged him before he ever took a snap as a Saints QB. But, haters are gonna hate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those who thinks he’s the worst QB since Ryan Leaf. He’s put up some good numbers in his career. I agree with Rez, there are concerns but they are overblown. I think with proper coaching and a good offensive line we could see a different Carr. Getting the O-line in order will be key. AsylumGuido likes this.

07-16-2024, 08:19 AM	#10
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,740	Re: Reasons To Be Positive This place is barely worth coming to anymore. I used to come here to get all my Saints news and have constructive discussions with other fans. Now this place and seemingly every Saints related thread is dominated by people that either have zero interest in having a conversation and just want to troll threads or people that seem to get their sayings from WWF wrestlers from the 1980s “There will be pain!!!” I miss the days of JoeSam, Hagen, FF and JP. Those guys were knowledgeable and could have a conversation or debate on the team or a player or coach without turning the entire thread into nothing but trash talking and posturing. iceshack149, SaintFanInATLHELL, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.