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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Kamara is already under contract and his agent could be professionally disgraced and committed to an institution if he urged a 29yo rb coming off a down year to hold out because he is only slated to make $12 million. ...

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Old 07-30-2024, 12:19 AM   #1
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Kamara is already under contract and his agent could be professionally disgraced and committed to an institution if he urged a 29yo rb coming off a down year to hold out because he is only slated to make $12 million. We dont need to sign Kamara, he is under contract and will play. Loomis needs to stick to his guns.

Just because something is proportional does not mean it is fair. I would not consider half price for a single shoe a great deal. I would not want pay half Wembayans rookie salary and the #2 overall pick in the nba draft for a 3ft 8in center. Likewise, paying 18th highest salary for the 18th best qb is actually a bad deal. If your qb is mediocre, you want their salary to be practically free or you are losing. Paying 75% of Mahomes salary for a proven mediocrity and being able to spend the difference for Ram to watch Tv or Kamara to make 30th bday plans is never going to win a ring.

The Lions are a unique situation. Basically they are paying Bobby Hebert $50 million a year. They were irrelevent so long that being a decent playoff team is a revelation to them. They won their division maybe for the first time in franchise history. Goff is an average QB but with their situation he had all the leverage and since they were already winning now they could not risk a reset. The Saints are not doing anything very impressive with Carr and should not be as desperate to settle for mediocrity at QB.
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Old 07-30-2024, 08:32 AM   #2
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Kamara is already under contract and his agent could be professionally disgraced and committed to an institution if he urged a 29yo rb coming off a down year to hold out because he is only slated to make $12 million. We dont need to sign Kamara, he is under contract and will play. Loomis needs to stick to his guns.

Just because something is proportional does not mean it is fair. I would not consider half price for a single shoe a great deal. I would not want pay half Wembayans rookie salary and the #2 overall pick in the nba draft for a 3ft 8in center. Likewise, paying 18th highest salary for the 18th best qb is actually a bad deal. If your qb is mediocre, you want their salary to be practically free or you are losing. Paying 75% of Mahomes salary for a proven mediocrity and being able to spend the difference for Ram to watch Tv or Kamara to make 30th bday plans is never going to win a ring.

The Lions are a unique situation. Basically they are paying Bobby Hebert $50 million a year. They were irrelevent so long that being a decent playoff team is a revelation to them. They won their division maybe for the first time in franchise history. Goff is an average QB but with their situation he had all the leverage and since they were already winning now they could not risk a reset. The Saints are not doing anything very impressive with Carr and should not be as desperate to settle for mediocrity at QB.
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Old 08-01-2024, 02:36 PM   #3
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Kamara's off the field issue is a negative but it is not an uncommon negative. Many NFL stars have off the field issues. Some repeat, some don't. A player with one issue is more likely to have another than one who doesn't and would be suspended more harshly if they did. But many stars have major off the field issues of one kind or another in pros or college: Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, Tyrann Mathieu, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress, etc. Some players come back and never have another issue, others have more issues that sometimes end their careers. So for availability, its just like an ACL injury or something, you dont know if it will re-occur or not. Its a risk, but one you sometimes have to live with. Because the Boy Scouts of America have never won an NFL game. Kamara ain't a boy scout, but he is a useful player. Just probably not more useful than players like Mixon or Mathieu or Davis who he wants a much bigger contract than because he thinks he is still comperable to McCafferey despite the last 2 years saying he isnt.
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Kamara's off the field issue is a negative but it is not an uncommon negative. Many NFL stars have off the field issues. Some repeat, some don't. A player with one issue is more likely to have another than one who doesn't and would be suspended more harshly if they did. But many stars have major off the field issues of one kind or another in pros or college: Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, Tyrann Mathieu, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress, etc. Some players come back and never have another issue, others have more issues that sometimes end their careers. So for availability, its just like an ACL injury or something, you dont know if it will re-occur or not. Its a risk, but one you sometimes have to live with. Because the Boy Scouts of America have never won an NFL game. Kamara ain't a boy scout, but he is a useful player. Just probably not more useful than players like Mixon or Mathieu or Davis who he wants a much bigger contract than because he thinks he is still comperable to McCafferey despite the last 2 years saying he isnt.
Well said... my point is the NFL should not tolerate violent crimes at all. Put a morality clause in it bylaws; not contract. and i have every right as a FAN to not root or promote such behavior. and, one strike and your out, no second chance, the victim of said crime gets none. simple
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More to my point on violent crime and NFL... The NFl can either suspend a player for a year, or even ban that player completely if caught gambling and the manner of gambling. BUT will promote a player that commits a criminal violent crime such as assault and battery.... Thats the ticket...

The new policy, which was agreed to by both the NFL and the players union, now calls for a one-year suspension for any player who bets on an NFL game and two years if the player bets on his own team’s game. If the league finds that a player fixed a game, they will be banned from the NFL for life.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/09/29/nf...L%20for%20life.

but an active nfl player commits and prosecuted for assault and battery where an innocent victim may have been seriously injured, or worse...said player can still represent the NFL as a player..... me thinks this make no sense. Moreso for each individual team.
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Old 08-17-2024, 01:17 PM   #6
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Geno Smith's agent taking a page from Alvin Kamara's agent. 'I've declined, give me a raise and guarantees!'

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...eal-in-seattle
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I understood why the 49ers were likely forced to extend CMC. Unlike Kamara he seemed to be at the top of his game because everything around him was perfect. But like Kamara he was an older running back in a league where both data and until this offseason conventional wisdom said you dont invest big in an older running back. This trend seemed to be cemented 2 years ago when the Cowboys let Elliott walk, the Vikings let Cook walk, and both had to settle for low paid 1 year deals. But then in 2023 CMC had an MVP caliber season and suddenly older RB's were back in fashion and Kamara tried to get an extension. Many old or injured RB's switched teams and got decent money. Like I said, I understood why the 49ers were under a lot of pressure to extend CMC, and maybe had to do it to avoid a full scale revolt during their Super Bowl window since they were in a position to win now, but long term, and maybe short term, I thought it would likely turn out to be a bad contract.

So, although Kamara played well Week 1 against weak opposition, I think it could change things if the figurehead of the pay old RB's movement CMC deteriorates and is effectively replaced by a young mid round draft pick. We could go back to a market where numerous middle aged RB's are available on cheap 1 year deals.

I think it is smart to be contrarian with some short term fads in the NFL that go against long term data. I am glad we did not pay Kamara at what might be the peak for older RB's in our era. Likewise I am glad we did not do any big extension with Taysom Hill, who may fall under a similar category as an older player who is known more for his physical running style and tackle breaking that anything else. It's nothing personal its just that 30-somethings running the football for the big money is not the future of where the NFL game is headed.
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Read so many BS takes this offseason that he had lost a step. Once again it is easy to see Carmichael was the problem.
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Read so many BS takes this offseason that he had lost a step. Once again it is easy to see Carmichael was the problem.
I think its more complicated. It appeared that Kamara had lost a step last year. It appears he hasn't so far this year. But both of those things, not just one, are appearances. There were many runs yesterday where Kamara ran in a straight line and was not touched for a big gain. If we sustain this success there are going to be a lot of people to pay. We won't be able to pay them all. We can't write a blank check to an aging RB just because we have a system in place that is very favorable to our RB. Don't get me wrong, Kamara is a good fit for our system, versatility is highly valuable in our new system. But we also saw the 49ers recently make CMC the highest paid RB in history and then lose him to IR, and now they are finding the backup can rush for 100 yards too. At some point if Kamara wants CMC money it may not make sense. Running backs can be had in free agency and I am not convinced that had our offense couldnt work with a different competent RB if we are opening up giant holes to run through.
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I think its more complicated. It appeared that Kamara had lost a step last year. It appears he hasn't so far this year. But both of those things, not just one, are appearances. There were many runs yesterday where Kamara ran in a straight line and was not touched for a big gain. If we sustain this success there are going to be a lot of people to pay. We won't be able to pay them all. We can't write a blank check to an aging RB just because we have a system in place that is very favorable to our RB. Don't get me wrong, Kamara is a good fit for our system, versatility is highly valuable in our new system. But we also saw the 49ers recently make CMC the highest paid RB in history and then lose him to IR, and now they are finding the backup can rush for 100 yards too. At some point if Kamara wants CMC money it may not make sense. Running backs can be had in free agency and I am not convinced that had our offense couldnt work with a different competent RB if we are opening up giant holes to run through.
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