Potential 2025 Rebuild Math

Cruize · 07-29-2024, 08:17 AM

Super Bowl winners don't rebuild. They reload.

Sinner · 07-29-2024, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Super Bowl winners don't rebuild. They reload.

We don’t even rebuild. We rehash.

bobdog86 · 07-29-2024, 10:52 AM

Unfortunately time will tell....some pleased and some pissed at the end of this season. I would challenge each of us to revisit this at the end of the season, to see who has the cohonies to admit they missed. Carr sucked azz or Carr had a great season.

AsylumGuido · 07-29-2024, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Unfortunately time will tell....some pleased and some pissed at the end of this season. I would challenge each of us to revisit this at the end of the season, to see who has the cohonies to admit they missed. Carr sucked azz or Carr had a great season.

Carr may end up being somewhere in between. Let's say Carr has an average season for an NFL QB. That makes him one of the 15-17 best QB's in the entire world. Elite QB's that can almost singlehandedly carry a team to a championship are few and far between. They are generational. Some teams have never been fortunate enough to ever even have one. We had one in Drew Brees. Just like many other NFL teams we may never be lucky enough to have one again, at least not anytime soon. In the meantime the ONLY way to win another championship is to have one of those "average" QB's coupled with some weapons around him and a great deal of luck.

BakoSaint · 07-29-2024, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Carr may end up being somewhere in between. Let's say Carr has an average season for an NFL QB. That makes him one of the 15-17 best QB's in the entire world. Elite QB's that can almost singlehandedly carry a team to a championship are few and far between. They are generational. Some teams have never been fortunate enough to ever even have one. We had one in Drew Brees. Just like many other NFL teams we may never be lucky enough to have one again, at least not anytime soon. In the meantime the ONLY way to win another championship is to have one of those "average" QB's coupled with some weapons around him and a great deal of luck.

There is a way to win with an average QB but its not what we are doing. The trick to winning with an average QB is instead of going 'all in' every year, you hold something back some years, don't spend every dollar you can, cut loose some aging players whose days you know are numbered and eat the cap hits immediately. Tell your young guys to play hard, don't tank, but realistically some of the young unproven guys will be good and some will struggle and you will probably lose some games. Then you come out with high draft picks and lots of salary cap space. Then when you go all in again, starting from way under the salary cap, all in means a much bigger spending spree and war chest, coupled with a core of high draft picks, and bam you can even win with an average QB sometimes.

Champions often reload by rebuilding. Before the Bucs signed Tom Brady they were one of the furthest teams under the salary cap so they had a war chest to spend on Brady, Gronk, and other players. That was a rebuild. The best teams rebuild without you even knowing it. The 49ers carried over a ton of unused salary cap from year to year while the Saints max it out and accomplish less.

AsylumGuido · 07-29-2024, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

There is a way to win with an average QB but its not what we are doing. The trick to winning with an average QB is instead of going 'all in' every year, you hold something back some years, don't spend every dollar you can, cut loose some aging players whose days you know are numbered and eat the cap hits immediately. Tell your young guys to play hard, don't tank, but realistically some of the young unproven guys will be good and some will struggle and you will probably lose some games. Then you come out with high draft picks and lots of salary cap space. Then when you go all in again, starting from way under the salary cap, all in means a much bigger spending spree and war chest, coupled with a core of high draft picks, and bam you can even win with an average QB sometimes.

Champions often reload by rebuilding. Before the Bucs signed Tom Brady they were one of the furthest teams under the salary cap so they had a war chest to spend on Brady, Gronk, and other players. That was a rebuild. The best teams rebuild without you even knowing it. The 49ers carried over a ton of unused salary cap from year to year while the Saints max it out and accomplish less.

You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last.

Sinner · 07-29-2024, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last.

Shirley, you digress…

BakoSaint · 07-29-2024, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last.

I will admit going to OT against Mahomes in the Super Bowl is respectable too. When Carr does that, call me back. But alas even if the Super Bowl was the absolute only thing that mattered, your argument doesn't hold water, because I also pointed out a team that rebuilt and won the Super Bowl.

Ultimately to me the Super Bowl is the goal. But when you get to the conference championship or super bowl and play respectably, it does mean you are close, its a good thing. Having a .500-ish or barely winning record and maybe sneaking into the playoffs and getting trounced means little to me.

You admit that not every team can have a Patrick Mahomes, but you ignore the fact that the last teams to win it all without a Patrick Mahomes did so by not settling for an 'average' qb (Rams dumping Goff) and going under the cap to build a financial war chest before going all-in (Bucs with Brady). One could also argue that the Bucs didn't settle for an 'average' QB when they let Winston walk. Yet you think we can win it all by settling for an average qb and spending the same cash every year because we never save a dime to double it up the next year?

K Major · 07-29-2024, 11:02 AM

At the end of the day, Carr is decent. Average. Middle of the road.

A bridge QB. He will never lead us to the SB (that IS the goal).

It is what it is.

K Major · 07-29-2024, 05:34 PM

lol

07-29-2024, 08:17 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Super Bowl winners don't rebuild. They reload. Sinner likes this.
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07-29-2024, 08:19 AM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by Cruize Super Bowl winners don't rebuild. They reload. We don’t even rebuild. We rehash.
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07-29-2024, 10:52 AM	#3
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Unfortunately time will tell....some pleased and some pissed at the end of this season. I would challenge each of us to revisit this at the end of the season, to see who has the cohonies to admit they missed. Carr sucked azz or Carr had a great season. saintsfan1976 and BakoSaint like this.

07-29-2024, 11:19 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by bobdog86 Unfortunately time will tell....some pleased and some pissed at the end of this season. I would challenge each of us to revisit this at the end of the season, to see who has the cohonies to admit they missed. Carr sucked azz or Carr had a great season. Carr may end up being somewhere in between. Let's say Carr has an average season for an NFL QB. That makes him one of the 15-17 best QB's in the entire world. Elite QB's that can almost singlehandedly carry a team to a championship are few and far between. They are generational. Some teams have never been fortunate enough to ever even have one. We had one in Drew Brees. Just like many other NFL teams we may never be lucky enough to have one again, at least not anytime soon. In the meantime the ONLY way to win another championship is to have one of those "average" QB's coupled with some weapons around him and a great deal of luck.
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07-29-2024, 02:49 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,413	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Carr may end up being somewhere in between. Let's say Carr has an average season for an NFL QB. That makes him one of the 15-17 best QB's in the entire world. Elite QB's that can almost singlehandedly carry a team to a championship are few and far between. They are generational. Some teams have never been fortunate enough to ever even have one. We had one in Drew Brees. Just like many other NFL teams we may never be lucky enough to have one again, at least not anytime soon. In the meantime the ONLY way to win another championship is to have one of those "average" QB's coupled with some weapons around him and a great deal of luck. There is a way to win with an average QB but its not what we are doing. The trick to winning with an average QB is instead of going 'all in' every year, you hold something back some years, don't spend every dollar you can, cut loose some aging players whose days you know are numbered and eat the cap hits immediately. Tell your young guys to play hard, don't tank, but realistically some of the young unproven guys will be good and some will struggle and you will probably lose some games. Then you come out with high draft picks and lots of salary cap space. Then when you go all in again, starting from way under the salary cap, all in means a much bigger spending spree and war chest, coupled with a core of high draft picks, and bam you can even win with an average QB sometimes. Champions often reload by rebuilding. Before the Bucs signed Tom Brady they were one of the furthest teams under the salary cap so they had a war chest to spend on Brady, Gronk, and other players. That was a rebuild. The best teams rebuild without you even knowing it. The 49ers carried over a ton of unused salary cap from year to year while the Saints max it out and accomplish less.
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07-29-2024, 03:24 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by BakoSaint There is a way to win with an average QB but its not what we are doing. The trick to winning with an average QB is instead of going 'all in' every year, you hold something back some years, don't spend every dollar you can, cut loose some aging players whose days you know are numbered and eat the cap hits immediately. Tell your young guys to play hard, don't tank, but realistically some of the young unproven guys will be good and some will struggle and you will probably lose some games. Then you come out with high draft picks and lots of salary cap space. Then when you go all in again, starting from way under the salary cap, all in means a much bigger spending spree and war chest, coupled with a core of high draft picks, and bam you can even win with an average QB sometimes. Champions often reload by rebuilding. Before the Bucs signed Tom Brady they were one of the furthest teams under the salary cap so they had a war chest to spend on Brady, Gronk, and other players. That was a rebuild. The best teams rebuild without you even knowing it. The 49ers carried over a ton of unused salary cap from year to year while the Saints max it out and accomplish less. You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last.

07-29-2024, 03:26 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last. Shirley, you digress…
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07-29-2024, 03:57 PM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,413	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You say it's all about winning it all, right? And when did the 49er's win their last Super Bowl? If I'm not mistaken the Cowgirls have even won a Super Bowl since the 49er's won their last. I will admit going to OT against Mahomes in the Super Bowl is respectable too. When Carr does that, call me back. But alas even if the Super Bowl was the absolute only thing that mattered, your argument doesn't hold water, because I also pointed out a team that rebuilt and won the Super Bowl. Ultimately to me the Super Bowl is the goal. But when you get to the conference championship or super bowl and play respectably, it does mean you are close, its a good thing. Having a .500-ish or barely winning record and maybe sneaking into the playoffs and getting trounced means little to me. You admit that not every team can have a Patrick Mahomes, but you ignore the fact that the last teams to win it all without a Patrick Mahomes did so by not settling for an 'average' qb (Rams dumping Goff) and going under the cap to build a financial war chest before going all-in (Bucs with Brady). One could also argue that the Bucs didn't settle for an 'average' QB when they let Winston walk. Yet you think we can win it all by settling for an average qb and spending the same cash every year because we never save a dime to double it up the next year? saintsfan1976 and Sinner like this.
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07-29-2024, 11:02 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math At the end of the day, Carr is decent. Average. Middle of the road. A bridge QB. He will never lead us to the SB (that IS the goal). It is what it is.

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