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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna I’m hoping for 4,500 yards, 35 TD’s, and 8 picks. That is absolutely doable with a viable offensive scheme. He had 3,878 yards, 25 TD's, and only 8 picks last year in that horribly designed and ...

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Old 07-28-2024, 09:13 AM   #11
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Re: Potential 2025 Rebuild Math

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I’m hoping for 4,500 yards, 35 TD’s, and 8 picks.
That is absolutely doable with a viable offensive scheme. He had 3,878 yards, 25 TD's, and only 8 picks last year in that horribly designed and called offense that Carmichael dialed up. Just 37 yards more per game puts him at that 4,500 and there's no reason that can't be done. Averaging a little over a half a TD a game, also very doable, would get him to 35 TD's.

Oh, as a comparison, Brock Purdy had 4,280, 32, and 11 last season in the same offense we are picking up.
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Old 07-28-2024, 10:41 AM   #12
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That is absolutely doable with a viable offensive scheme. He had 3,878 yards, 25 TD's, and only 8 picks last year in that horribly designed and called offense that Carmichael dialed up. Just 37 yards more per game puts him at that 4,500 and there's no reason that can't be done. Averaging a little over a half a TD a game, also very doable, would get him to 35 TD's.

Oh, as a comparison, Brock Purdy had 4,280, 32, and 11 last season in the same offense we are picking up.
One notable absence in our offense, is Brock Purdy. We have Carrbage.
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One notable absence in our offense, is Brock Purdy. We have Carrbage.
Notice how DA went out of his way to defend Carr in 2023?

Our best shot at seeing anything remotely close to Purdy on Sunday's is the development of Haener or Rattler in a year or two.

It won't be Carrmax.
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Old 07-28-2024, 12:01 PM   #15
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Notice how DA went out of his way to defend Carr in 2023?

Our best shot at seeing anything remotely close to Purdy on Sunday's is the development of Haener or Rattler in a year or two.

It won't be Carrmax.
D.A. and Carr are two heads of the same dead or dying creature.
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Old 07-28-2024, 12:35 PM   #16
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Only time will tell what will happen. If Carr has a better season than he did last year and we win more games, surely we will keep him. But all coins have two sides, so he may have a worse season. If he has a worse season, its good to have an out. So, I explored what that out would look like and showed its possible. This beats just saying offhand 'we have an out in 2026' but ignoring that restructuring in 2025 will make that out as big or bigger a cap hit than it would be in 2025. If someone who thinks the better season scenario is more likely wants to write a post about what a contract restructure would look like if we win the Super Bowl or get close, they are free to do so.

In the end I think there have been a lot of attempts to salvage Derek Carr: He just needed a better offensive minded head coach... enter Jon Gruden. He just needed a true #1 receiver he would have good chemistry with... enter Davante Adams. He just needed a change of scenery away from that Raiders stink... enter New Orleans. Now he just needs young potentially innovative offensive coordinator... enter Klint Kubiak. Will the fourth time be the charm??? We'll see.
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Old 07-28-2024, 01:36 PM   #17
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Only time will tell what will happen. If Carr has a better season than he did last year and we win more games, surely we will keep him. But all coins have two sides, so he may have a worse season. If he has a worse season, its good to have an out. So, I explored what that out would look like and showed its possible. This beats just saying offhand 'we have an out in 2026' but ignoring that restructuring in 2025 will make that out as big or bigger a cap hit than it would be in 2025. If someone who thinks the better season scenario is more likely wants to write a post about what a contract restructure would look like if we win the Super Bowl or get close, they are free to do so.

In the end I think there have been a lot of attempts to salvage Derek Carr: He just needed a better offensive minded head coach... enter Jon Gruden. He just needed a true #1 receiver he would have good chemistry with... enter Davante Adams. He just needed a change of scenery away from that Raiders stink... enter New Orleans. Now he just needs young potentially innovative offensive coordinator... enter Klint Kubiak. Will the fourth time be the charm??? We'll see.
I don't know what you are looking at, but Carr has had a pretty solid career to date. He was saddled with historically bad defenses (the best of which was ranked 25!) for his whole Raiders career which resulted in poor records several of those years, but the last I checked NFL teams are made up of 53 roster players, not just one.

And yes, you can say every coin has two sides, but you always seem to be playing with a two tailed one in your philosophizing.

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I don't know what you are looking at, but Carr has had a pretty solid career to date. He was saddled with historically bad defenses (the best of which was ranked 25!) for his whole Raiders career which resulted in poor records several of those years, but the last I checked NFL teams are made up of 53 roster players, not just one.

And yes, you can say every coin has two sides, but you always seem to be playing with a two tailed one in your philosophizing.

I thought Bako was erring on the headed side and maybe eyeing the rose colored glasses from across the room there for a minute… but anyway…
While we sit here flipping rusty coins, other teams are putting together potential championship packages.
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I don't know what you are looking at, but Carr has had a pretty solid career to date. He was saddled with historically bad defenses (the best of which was ranked 25!) for his whole Raiders career which resulted in poor records several of those years, but the last I checked NFL teams are made up of 53 roster players, not just one.

And yes, you can say every coin has two sides, but you always seem to be playing with a two tailed one in your philosophizing.

I think for myself and have my own belief system. The entire Drew Brees - Matt Ryan era I ragged on Matt Ryan relentlessly and got in fights with other Saints fans who felt Matt Ryan was a great QB, deeply respected him, and would be glad to have Matt Ryan on the Saints if we had to have any other QB but Brees. I felt that Matt Ryan was a mediocre QB whose pretty good enough stats didn't tell the whole story of how he couldn't win close games and couldn't get it done in the playoffs and just padded his stats in the regular season. I celebrated with a round of drinks every time the Falcons signed Matt Ryan to a big extension that made him one of the highest paid QBs in the league and sapped the Falcons salary cap and I truly wanted to see him retire a Falcon for life at 45 so that the Falcons could remain trapped in mediocrity forever. I called Matt Bryant the true leader of the Falcons, because the only times Matt Ryan was ever credited with doing anything clutch in the playoffs it was actually getting Bryant in range for a 55 yard kick. I said I would rather have Matt Bryant for $30 million or whatever than Matt Ryan because at least Bryant does not have negative value as a player who ruins draft position in the regular season then chokes in the big games and playoffs. Many Saints fans were deeply hurt by my criticism of Matt Ryan who they considered a very handsome and hard working young man with admirable virtues and character. I never said he was a bad person, just that he was a loser. My problem is, now, we have a Matt Ryan clone at QB. And my views remain consistent. I don't like excuses. Many great QBs have got to the playoffs with a bottom ranked defense. Brees did. Some have won it all with lousy defenses. And some QBs have made their defenses better by being great leaders on the field who inspire the entire team. Patrick Mahomes just won a ring with possibly the worst wide receiving corps in the league. He won another with the type of ankle injury that caused Cam Jordan to write off an entire $14 million season. Derek Carr is not great. He is good. And the best of that good comes when it matters least, and the least when it matters most. He racked up stats against bad teams and has not beat good teams with the Saints unless there QB was injured or our mathematical odds of making the playoffs were close to zero and it didnt matter. If I insulted Matt Ryan for over a decade and embraced the same qualities in Derek Carr I would be a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. And I have a right to that view and to be consistent in my views.
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I think for myself and have my own belief system. The entire Drew Brees - Matt Ryan era I ragged on Matt Ryan relentlessly and got in fights with other Saints fans who felt Matt Ryan was a great QB, deeply respected him, and would be glad to have Matt Ryan on the Saints if we had to have any other QB but Brees. I felt that Matt Ryan was a mediocre QB whose pretty good enough stats didn't tell the whole story of how he couldn't win close games and couldn't get it done in the playoffs and just padded his stats in the regular season. I celebrated with a round of drinks every time the Falcons signed Matt Ryan to a big extension that made him one of the highest paid QBs in the league and sapped the Falcons salary cap and I truly wanted to see him retire a Falcon for life at 45 so that the Falcons could remain trapped in mediocrity forever. I called Matt Bryant the true leader of the Falcons, because the only times Matt Ryan was ever credited with doing anything clutch in the playoffs it was actually getting Bryant in range for a 55 yard kick. I said I would rather have Matt Bryant for $30 million or whatever than Matt Ryan because at least Bryant does not have negative value as a player who ruins draft position in the regular season then chokes in the big games and playoffs. Many Saints fans were deeply hurt by my criticism of Matt Ryan who they considered a very handsome and hard working young man with admirable virtues and character. I never said he was a bad person, just that he was a loser. My problem is, now, we have a Matt Ryan clone at QB. And my views remain consistent. I don't like excuses. Many great QBs have got to the playoffs with a bottom ranked defense. Brees did. Some have won it all with lousy defenses. And some QBs have made their defenses better by being great leaders on the field who inspire the entire team. Patrick Mahomes just won a ring with possibly the worst wide receiving corps in the league. He won another with the type of ankle injury that caused Cam Jordan to write off an entire $14 million season. Derek Carr is not great. He is good. And the best of that good comes when it matters least, and the least when it matters most. He racked up stats against bad teams and has not beat good teams with the Saints unless there QB was injured or our mathematical odds of making the playoffs were close to zero and it didnt matter. If I insulted Matt Ryan for over a decade and embraced the same qualities in Derek Carr I would be a hypocrite as far as I am concerned. And I have a right to that view and to be consistent in my views.
“And the best of that good comes when it matters least, and the least when it matters most.”

^^^ THAT RIGHT THERE.
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