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We may already have our starting RT.

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I'm hearing Taysom is eating Popeyes the next 2 weeks to put weight on so he can give it a try at Tackle.....

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He really is improving, tbh.

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He has his moments. Both good and bad.

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May is a good choice of words. I hope he is able to turn it all around. He should make the roster and get some chance to show if he has improved in real regular season games but it might also be reasonable to bring in cheap competition in case he struggles.

Looking at both sides of the coin, Penning struggled last year, was then benched the latter half of the year and barely saw the field even with many starters injured, reports out of training camp had him getting dominated on many reps, he played very poorly the first preseason game, then improved in the latter two preseason games. His confidence may be up, but early in the season he will face tough experienced pass rushers looking to target his weaknesses and that confidence may go back down or prove to be an illusion. Its possible that everything just clicked in week 2 of year 3 preseason but its also possible that a few quarters of football over an 8 day period in preseason is a mirage and years of struggle is the reality, or that Penning is just inconsistent. Overall I think it could be reasonable to view the odds as something like that 1/3rd he is truly improved, 1/3rd he will be a mixed bag, and 1/3rd he will be a train wreck and a few quarters against backups in vanilla plays is a total mirage. A 1/3rd scenario that Penning will be so bad he will get Derek Carr so badly injured that Carr will be unable to pass a physical on 3/17/2025 and Carr's $30 million 2025 salary will become guaranteed even if the injury is career threatening is a scary scenario so I think its smart to have some backup plan desite 8 days of more encouraging preseason performance.

To illustrate the point that we have to take preseason stats of notoriously unreliable players with a grain of salt, I give you Nathan Peterman's 3rd year preseason stats. Peterman had a superb 2019 preseason with no INT's and looked like a QB who could potentially be starting caliber. In particular in the final two preseason games of his third year, Peterman was 17 for 20 with no turnovers and his team won both games. Peterman was then injured, never played a down in the 2019 regular season, and has since continued to be extremely unreliable in regular season games.

https://www.nfl.com/players/nathan-p...ats/logs/2019/

Overall, with Pennings improvement, I feel like our situation at RT has gone from barreling toward a sheer cliff to speeding into a blind intersection against a red light. Its gone from knowing Carr is going to get killed to crossing our fingers knowing he might get killed but maybe we get lucky.

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I don't get where you come from on thinking Carr would absolutely get injured. Carr has missed TWO games in his entire career due to injury. Sounds pretty pessimistic.

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This pretty much echoes exactly what I have been hearing elsewhere and sharing here as my opinion for the past few weeks. It's very unlikely that there will be anything available on the waiver, free agent, or trade markets on offensive tackles in today's environment that would be be an upgrade. I hope I am wrong, but Stinchcomb doesn't think I am.

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Everyone uses a little bit of exaggerated and colorful language. The point is that last season Penning struggled in 6 starts and Carr did get an injury that nagged him the rest of the season. Also, although Carr refused to miss games, he had 2 concussions and a nagging shoulder injury last year where perhaps he would have missed games. To me, if Penning was a turnstile this year and we played him anyway, the odds of Carr getting injured could be pretty high, if not 100%. If the oline was worse and Carr increased from 2 concussions last year to 3-4 in 2024 that alone might end his career. Also we saw at least two older QBs have season ending injuries last year early on in Rodgers and Cousins. Both of them had been relatively healthy before, just like Carr. So if Penning was a turnstile, it just could not be that crazy for Carr to suffer a similar fate to what two of his closest veteran QB piers did just last year. Rodgers contract was the closest to Carrs among veteran QBs switching teams in 2023, and Cousins was the closest 2024 transaction to those two, so if two of three can suffer major ACL type injuries out of the blue after years of health, the risk to Carr is real if our oline is a sieve.

Another key difference is that Carr could have a $30 million financial incentive to get injured if he struggles too much this year. If he struggles, he would stand to be cut, and have diminished value as a free agent two teams have given up on, more of a Russ Wilson or Ryan Tannehill type option. But if he got hurt, his salary guarantees right at the start of the league year, and he could not be cut while hurt, so it could be tempting to 'rehab slow.' Last year Carr's upcoming salary was already guaranteed so there was no big financial incentive either way. I hope our oline is decent because I worry both that a weak oline could get Carr injury and cause him to struggle in a way that might tempt him to stay injured. This may sound wacky and far fetched but this exact line of thought was what caused the Raiders to bench Carr and the Broncos to bench Wilson, fear of triggering guarantees in big QB contracts with injury is a real topic on every GMs mind.

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Bullcrap, Bako. LOL! Carr would never be tempted to stay injured. Man, your are really reaching now. Wacky is putting it mildly.

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Trent Williams. Not knowing the up front cost...

Should we? Could we?

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Wow! I have been talking about the rarity of decent tackles in the league today and this is very telling. There was only one offensive tackle claimed off waivers out of 1,184 players released yesterday.

Demontrey Jacobs (LT)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New England (NE)

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A player claimed off waivers is put on the 53 man roster, correct?

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Correct.

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This site says 3 of 27 players claimed leaguewide are OT. Still not a lot.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...continues/amp/

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Can't get that to load. I'm going off spotrac.com's transactions.


Julius Wood (S)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Tennessee (TEN)

Ali Gaye (DE)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Tennessee (TEN)

Royce Newman (G)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Tampa Bay (TB)

Brenden Bates (TE)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New York (NYJ)

Anthony Johnson Jr. (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New York (NYG)

Kene Nwangwu (RB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New Orleans (NO)

Zach Thomas (G)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New England (NE)

Eric Johnson (DT)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New England (NE)

Demontrey Jacobs (LT)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New England (NE)

Curtis Jacobs (ILB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by New England (NE)

Grant DuBose (WR)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Miami (MIA)

Cody Schrader (RB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Los Angeles (LAR)

Hassan Haskins (RB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Los Angeles (LAC)

Jonah Laulu (DT)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Las Vegas (LV)

Thomas Harper (S)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Las Vegas (LV)

Eric Scott Jr. (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Kansas City (KC)

Samuel Womack (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Indianapolis (IND)

Brayden Narveson (K)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Green Bay (GB)

Trevor Nowaske (ILB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Detroit (DET)

K.J. Henry (DE)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Cincinnati (CIN)

Jamie Sheriff (DE)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

Jon Rhattigan (ILB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

Jarrett Kingston (G)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

Keenan Isaac (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

Tariq Castro-Fields (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

Shemar Bartholomew (CB)
Aug 28, 2024 - Claimed off waivers by Carolina (CAR)

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Lets say Carr’s season is a mixed bag and expectations are the Saints may cut him or ask him to take a pay cut. Then supposed that in the 12/15/24 game he sustains an injury that is diagnosed on 12/17 as requiring a surgery with a a 12 week estimated recovery time. If Carr has surgery immediately, spends xmas in a hospital, skips new years and valentines to rehab, and is highly dedicated to his physical therapy with no breaks he still wont get to play any more games during the year, but he may be able to pass a physical by 3/17/25, 12 weeks and 6 days later, in order to allow himself to potentially be cut and lose $30 million. However, if he gets a second opinion, has the procedure on 1/3/25 after holidays with family, and does a lot of physical therapy but takes a few days off for family, he can pass the physical in April before the draft and lock in $30 million guaranteed when he cant be cut on 3/17/25. What would anyone do? This is not a matter of character its a matter of putting family first and making smart decisions. And its part of why Carr and Wilson sat the last few games with their former teams.

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Be careful, Bako. You are likely to throw your back out with all that reaching. LOL!!!

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I can guarantee if at any point the Saints decide Carr will either need to do a pay reduction or get cut, he will be put on the bench and not heard from again in 2024.

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If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak. :D

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Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.

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Oh, come on. Neither Rattler or Haener are anywhere near ready to play. Believe it or not Carr is not a bad QB and easily gives us our best chance to win. He protects the ball and throws for a high percentage. Winning is the only thing that will keep Allen and his entire staff around next season and that includes Kubiak. They are all aware that Carr is far and away our best short term solution.

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Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.

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Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts. :rolleyes:

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You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...

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No. Are you? It appears that this is what you do too when I am concerned. You always call me out. It's quite apparent you don't like me. That's cool. But it's nothing beyond discussion and when any of us post on forums it is part of the platform.

Just chill, Matt. We're all on the same team. We are all passionate about our team.

When debating a subject Bako is a very competent opponent. He can hold his own and, I am sure, doesn't need help. He obviously relishes these discussions as much as myself. We both have different approaches but, believe me, it is all in fun. To a point, of course. ;)

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He's a beast!

A 36 year old beast who wants mega money.

I think SF still owes him $60MM

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Yeah they just all keep deciding that Jared Stidham gives them the best chance to win at the end of the year when they are getting good but not great results from a $30-40 million QB whose contract would be guaranteed by injury.

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Which means nothing to any coach, nor should it. Their jobs are to do their best to win games now because if they don't they won't have a job in the future.

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Holy smokes, what a pleasant surprise this O-line has been thus far. :bng:

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It's scary. What looked like the achilles heel of this team is now looking like a cornerstone to the ferocious offense!

Makes you wonder: Is it scheme or playcalling that's making the difference?

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Coaching.

Dougie Marrone didn’t adapt.

Same goes for Pete Carmichael.

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Both. The way I see it the plays are designed within the scheme. The playcalling is calling the proper play within the scheme given the circumstances. Carmichael tried designing plays within Payton's old scheme, but without Payton's or Brees' input they were bland and uninspired. Then he called those plays with what appeared to be little or no thought of timing or deception.

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Douggie Marrone....what a maroon(in my best Bugs Bunny voice).

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Fuaga is an absolute stud.