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It is growing more and more apparent that we may be getting closer and closer to jettisoning young Mr. Penning in one way or another. Trade value may be minimal, if at all existent. Backing up or a move to the practice squad, perhaps? We probably have two or three options on the roster that could be an upgrade after this latest experiment. But, there's always outside sources.

Anyone know of an offensive tackle vaguely familiar with the Shanahan/Kubiak scheme that could step in and do better than what we currently have in house?

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Probably need to push Saldiveri back to RT and hope they can find help when other teams start roster trimming.

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What happened to Trai Turner?

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What happened with Bahktiari?

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Currently a UFA
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_...03/trai-turner

An injury waiting to happen. We don't want a cap strapping oft injured soon to be hazbeen.

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Better make a move. Reports out of camp that Penning losing reps to Foskey. As in like getting put flat on his a$$

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Gross negligence.

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Don't you think, the overpaid talent scouts, coaches, owners might have a better sense of knowledge of the caliber of players (Offensive Tackle) that are available, than you are any of us? If not, then what and why the hell are they in said positions? Especially scouts and coaches!!

You bring to the table, the very point and observation that there is a serious lack of leadership and decision making within the Saints organization or they just don't give a squat. So, as long as THEY get their money, screw the ability to win, much less make the playoffs, or Superbowl for that matter. :beatnik:

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THAT RIGHT THERE ^^^

“Winning championships is not the goal…” (name withheld by request)

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The Ramczyk situation didn't sneak up on them

Our other first round lineman have developed much faster

"Hope" is not a strategy

Better make a move DA. Sean Payton wouldn't let this happen....

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Here's the list of who is left out there.

Donovan Smith
David Bakhtiari
D.J. Humphries
Jason Peters
Charles Leno
Billy Turner
Duane Brown
Riley Reiff

Tackles Signed as Free Agents, 2024:

Michael Onwenu (Signed a three-year, $57 million extension with the Patriots)
Jonah Williams (Signed a two-year, $30 million contract with the Cardinals)
Jermaine Eluemunor (Signed a two-year, $14 million contract with the Giants)
Chukwuma Okorafor (Signed a one-year, $4 million contract with the Patriots)
Blake Brandel (Signed a three-year, $9.5 million contract with the Vikings)
David Quessenberry (Signed a one-year, $1.9 million extension with the Vikings)
Matt Pryor (Signed a one-year contract with the Bears)
David Sharpe (Signed a two-year contract with the Texans)
George Fant (Signed a contract with the Seahawks)
Storm Norton (Signed a contract with the Falcons)
Jake Curhan (Signed a contract with the Bears)
Charlie Heck (Signed a one-year contract with the Texans)
Tyron Smith (Signed a one-year, $6.5 million contract with the Jets)
Isaiah Wynn (Signed a one-year extension with the Dolphins)
Brandon Parker (Signed a one-year contract with the 49ers)
Yosuah Nijman (Signed a two-year, $8 million contract with the Panthers)
Cornelius Lucas (Signed a one-year extension with the Commanders)
Olisaemeka Udoh (Signed a one-year contract with the Saints)
Trent Brown (Signed a one-year contract with the Bengals)
Josh Jones (Signed a contract with the Ravens)
Kendall Lamm (Signed a contract with the Dolphins)
La’el Collins (Signed a contract with the Bills)
Chuma Edoga (Signed a one-year, $1.29 million contract with the Cowboys)
Andre Dillard (Signed a one-year, $1.125 million contract with the Packers)
Mekhi Becton (Signed a one-year contract with the Eagles)
Andrus Peat (Signed a contract with the Raiders)
A.J. Jackson (Signed a one-year, $4.9 million tender with the Rams)
Chris Hubbard (Signed a contract with the 49ers)
Geron Christian (Signed a one-year, $1.25 million contract with the Titans)
Cameron Erving (Signed a contract with the Texans)
Conor McDermott (Signed a contract with the Rams)

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Yes, I've seen the list of available tackles.

The list was much longer when they realized there was a significant problem on their hands.

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I heard something recently on NFL Radio on the topic of the shortage of quality offensive tackles in the game today. It been pointed out several times that the lack of real hands on coaching and teaching the position at the college level is, of course, a huge factor, but what they stressed was how it has became a recent trend for the truly athletic big guys to transition from offense to defense either early in college or even in high school. The "glory" of getting to the QB has become far more attractive than the "chore" of trying to protect the QB. I hadn't heard that before, but it makes perfect sense in today's game with the current player mentality.

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For what it's worth.

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:rolleyes: :beatnik:

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Everyone you listed would be an upgrade over Penning. Every single one.

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We need a reliable right tackle who is not coming off 1,000 injuries even if they are not the best talent. But we need some talent, not Penning. And we need someone who will play, not David Back-On-IR-y

Derek Carr's $30mil 2025 salary would guarantee on 3/17/2025 if he is still on the roster, and if he were seriously injured he could not be cut, and at his salary he would likely not agree to an injury settlement. I hope Carr has a great season in 2024 but if Carr struggled and we were ready to move on, it would be a disaster if he suffered a serious injury, could not pass a physical, his $30m 2025 salary guaranteed in addition to the $10mil 2025 roster bonus that is already guaranteed. The situation that would put the Saints in going into 2025 would be a disaster, with $40 million 34 year old QB guaranteed full salary coming off a big injury. And if he is struggling we probably have to pay him $40 million to sit in late 2025, because a late season injury in 2025 could result in $50 million being guaranteed in 2026 (but this is much less likely because there is no guarantee trigger in 2026, so he would just need to pass a physical before the start of the season).

If our oline puts Carr at risk, it puts our franchise at risk. The Raiders sat Carr in 2022 and the Broncos sat Wilson in 2023 because of this same concern.

If we get a tackle with weaknesses, it is better to get a better pass blocker and sacrifice run blocking. Its unfortunate if our running game suffers, but would not cause nearly the harm of a Carr ACL injury.

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Falcons just got Judon. They get better, we do nothing.

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The Falcons picking up two 30 something stars both coming off big injuries and wanting new contracts may help them win now. Maybe they will even win 10 games. But they wont win a ring and in the long run this will set them back. Let them go all in this year. It will be their ruin.

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Back to Penning

Saints better have their scouts laser-focused on potential cuts and I am 100% fine trading future assets for an immediate upgrade at RT.

Without stability on that side we could realistically be facing a 2-7 or 1-8 going into November.

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It won’t ruin them. That’s a team with young stars at important positions.

QB - Michael Penix
RB - Bijan Robinson
WR - Drake London
TE - Kyle Pitts

That’s a pretty nice group to build around offensively. They can rent Judon for a year and let him walk or if they win enough games he might want to stay for a discount. Adding somebody over 30 years old isn’t always an automatic negative.

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As a matter of fact, Rez, we did. Don't forget we picked up a player potentially comparable to Judon in Chase Young.

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A timely article here.

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Whoops! This might turn into another Riddick type deal for the Falcons.

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How's the rookie draft pick Josiah Ezirim doing?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y-AfOB3SW...E1Jn_uf_DAMqOL

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They’ll add Justin Simmons as well and likely run away with the division. I’m not of the mind that they can’t win or go to a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman went. Jake Delhomme went. Trent Dilfer won. Simmons should have never got out of New Orleans and somebody like Donovan Smith should have had Penning on the bench months ago.

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For what it's worth, they may be waiting for roster cuts to grab someone off of waivers. Right now, the pickings are slim!

In the immortal words of Donald Rumsfeld:

“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”

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But if their O-line looks like it did last year, all those nice shiny bullets are going to stay in the clip without being fired downrange.

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He didn't look to promising on this play against the Cardinals in giving up the sack.

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Atlanta's problem is that they the have lowest available cap space of all the 32 teams in the league and by a sizable margin. They still have to fit Judon in and their available cap for the top 51 on the roster is $139,567. That right, less than $140K and they still have to make room for two more players at the cut. They probably made the move on Judon after Simmons wouldn't deal. As things stand they haven't come to terms with Judon either.

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Very much related to the subject of the thread. The Saints are by no means alone in the dire need for OT help. It is a league wide expanding crisis. There may not be anything available as an upgrade to even backups come the cut. We'll see.

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On Trevor Penning: “I saw a player that didn’t trust himself to play with technique at all. Went away from everything.”

- Duke Manyweather, Penning's offseason coach.

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Sorry, not buying the excuse.

Four 1st round picks and we can't block a sneeze.

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It wasn't as bad on the whole as most believe. Far from perfect. But not the end of the world.

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I guess we'll see definitively tonight. He's lining up against Bosa.

Looking at the cringeworthy :(tape from last week, it's going to be a nightmare!

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I'm holding out hope that TP is able to wake up and realize he's a 6'7" 325lb lineman who can dominate at Right Tackle.

If we see the same level of performance this weekend and DON'T make a SIGNIFICANT change at RT - and I'm talking a potential trade to SAVE the season, I am not confident this team has a shot at anything other than sub .500

To watch the Falcons work intently and aggressively to solve their problems while we continuously re-mold pieces of crap into slightly different shaped pieces of crap is maddening.

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I'm still holding out hope that the GM's office is targetting some OL's that will be either dropped or put on the taxi squad to be had for little to no sacrifice and cap space.

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https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/s...bcc2a552f.html