Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers

K Major · 08-19-2024, 03:01 PM

I still have the same concerns ...

Collectively, the OL group appears to be the weakest link on this team. Most of us already know that that "pressure" would have been a lot different with Bosa & Hargrave out there rushing the QB.

The question is, how well will Carr perform if the OL is just "decent". A couple of his throws were off the mark & behind Olave. This is what I mean when I say he has trouble "throwing receivers open".

Clowney, Parsons, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Chris Jones, Judon (twice) are real problems on the upcoming schedule.

But I digress ...

saintsfan1976 · 08-19-2024, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I still have the same concerns ...

Collectively, the OL group appears to be the weakest link on this team. Most of us already know that that "pressure" would have been a lot different with Bosa & Hargrave out there rushing the QB.

The question is, how well will Carr perform if the OL is just "decent". A couple of his throws were off the mark & behind Olave. This is what I mean when I say he has trouble "throwing receivers open".

Clowney, Parsons, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Chris Jones, Judon (twice) are real problems on the upcoming schedule.

But I digress ...

Point taken on elite pass rushers. However, an effective run game negates pass rush.

Carr has timing to work out. No question. Some of his throws last night were straight up poor.

I'm with you, there are legitimate threats to our offensive line. I'm encouraged by what I saw last night. Nowhere near a complete unit but a step forward.

2 more games to go before we find out for sure.

saintsfan1976 · 08-19-2024, 03:18 PM

If you hoped to see improvement in Week 2, you got it.

Key players missing on both sides but I'd say this game as a whole was much better than week 1.

xan · 08-19-2024, 03:33 PM

Less than 2 seconds protection on most dropbacks/shotgun regardless of the QB. SOOOO many blocking assignments whiffed, even on runs. D is legit. No coach can make up for the lack of talent/able bodies on the OL. I fear we will likely go through all 4 qbs this season.

Danno · 08-19-2024, 03:34 PM

I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB.
Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down.
Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not.
Just my 2 cents

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2024, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB.
Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down.
Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not.
Just my 2 cents

Let's not forget we didn't have Fuaga in at left tackle.

saintsfan1976 · 08-19-2024, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Let's not forget we didn't have Fuaga in at left tackle.

A rookie.

Who played three years at Right Tackle.

Now starting Left Tackle with a revolving door immediately to his right shoulder.

I'm not so optimistic there either...

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2024, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

A rookie.

Who played three years at Right Tackle.

Now starting Left Tackle with a revolving door immediately to his right shoulder.

I'm not so optimistic there either...

I am. He's been getting raves from our defense, including Granderson and Young. The guy is going to be an absolute stud.

SmashMouth · 08-19-2024, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB.
Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down.
Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not.
Just my 2 cents

This is the result of our getting spoiled with Brees whom could speed read defenses. His arm/body gave out toward the end. Of the three QBs we have, Haener is probably the fastest reader, then Rattler, then Carr.... then our former QB Jameis.

Carr tends to force it in sometimes ill advised, or he won't throw the WR open or in a manner that will allow the receiver to get lots of YAC. Haener did good in the first outing on a long ball, but missed a wide open throw a couple of times in game two. Rattler looked rattled in game 2.

This is the reality of the current Saints team.

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2024, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

This is the result of our getting spoiled with Brees whom could speed read defenses. His arm/body gave out toward the end. Of the three QBs we have, Haener is probably the fastest reader, then Rattler, then Carr.... then our former QB Jameis.

Carr tends to force it in sometimes ill advised, or he won't throw the WR open or in a manner that will allow the receiver to get lots of YAC. Haener did good in the first outing on a long ball, but missed a wide open throw a couple of times in game two. Rattler looked rattled in game 2.

This is the reality of the current Saints team.

Carr forcing it? Why doesn't it result in turnovers then? His interception rate (1.9%) for his career is tied for the 8th lowest in NFL history. He had the 3rd lowest interception rate (1.5%) in the league last year behind Stroud and Pickett. If anything I'd say he doesn't force it enough. Too conservative or careful at times.

08-19-2024, 03:01 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,766 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers I still have the same concerns ... Collectively, the OL group appears to be the weakest link on this team. Most of us already know that that "pressure" would have been a lot different with Bosa & Hargrave out there rushing the QB. The question is, how well will Carr perform if the OL is just "decent". A couple of his throws were off the mark & behind Olave. This is what I mean when I say he has trouble "throwing receivers open". Clowney, Parsons, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Chris Jones, Judon (twice) are real problems on the upcoming schedule. But I digress ...

08-19-2024, 03:21 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,990 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by K Major I still have the same concerns ... Collectively, the OL group appears to be the weakest link on this team. Most of us already know that that "pressure" would have been a lot different with Bosa & Hargrave out there rushing the QB. The question is, how well will Carr perform if the OL is just "decent". A couple of his throws were off the mark & behind Olave. This is what I mean when I say he has trouble "throwing receivers open". Clowney, Parsons, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Chris Jones, Judon (twice) are real problems on the upcoming schedule. But I digress ... Point taken on elite pass rushers. However, an effective run game negates pass rush. Carr has timing to work out. No question. Some of his throws last night were straight up poor. I'm with you, there are legitimate threats to our offensive line. I'm encouraged by what I saw last night. Nowhere near a complete unit but a step forward. 2 more games to go before we find out for sure. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

08-19-2024, 03:18 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,990 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers If you hoped to see improvement in Week 2, you got it. Key players missing on both sides but I'd say this game as a whole was much better than week 1. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

08-19-2024, 03:33 PM	#4
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Less than 2 seconds protection on most dropbacks/shotgun regardless of the QB. SOOOO many blocking assignments whiffed, even on runs. D is legit. No coach can make up for the lack of talent/able bodies on the OL. I fear we will likely go through all 4 qbs this season. Danno, saintsfan1976 and SmashMouth like this.

08-19-2024, 03:34 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB. Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down. Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not. Just my 2 cents saintsfan1976 likes this.

08-19-2024, 04:49 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,537	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Danno I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB. Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down. Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not. Just my 2 cents Let's not forget we didn't have Fuaga in at left tackle.

08-19-2024, 07:32 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,990 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Let's not forget we didn't have Fuaga in at left tackle. A rookie. Who played three years at Right Tackle. Now starting Left Tackle with a revolving door immediately to his right shoulder. I'm not so optimistic there either... jnormand and K Major like this.

08-20-2024, 07:43 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,537	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 A rookie. Who played three years at Right Tackle. Now starting Left Tackle with a revolving door immediately to his right shoulder. I'm not so optimistic there either... I am. He's been getting raves from our defense, including Granderson and Young. The guy is going to be an absolute stud. leilung, SmashMouth and WW_Who_Dat like this.

08-19-2024, 07:46 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,509 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Danno I'm convinced the downfall of this team will be the O-line, not QB. Carr is forced to throw too early on nearly every passing down. Haener and Rattler were running for their lives more often than not. Just my 2 cents This is the result of our getting spoiled with Brees whom could speed read defenses. His arm/body gave out toward the end. Of the three QBs we have, Haener is probably the fastest reader, then Rattler, then Carr.... then our former QB Jameis. Carr tends to force it in sometimes ill advised, or he won't throw the WR open or in a manner that will allow the receiver to get lots of YAC. Haener did good in the first outing on a long ball, but missed a wide open throw a couple of times in game two. Rattler looked rattled in game 2. This is the reality of the current Saints team.

08-20-2024, 07:54 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,537	Re: Observations from Saints preseason loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by SmashMouth This is the result of our getting spoiled with Brees whom could speed read defenses. His arm/body gave out toward the end. Of the three QBs we have, Haener is probably the fastest reader, then Rattler, then Carr.... then our former QB Jameis. Carr tends to force it in sometimes ill advised, or he won't throw the WR open or in a manner that will allow the receiver to get lots of YAC. Haener did good in the first outing on a long ball, but missed a wide open throw a couple of times in game two. Rattler looked rattled in game 2. This is the reality of the current Saints team. Carr forcing it? Why doesn't it result in turnovers then? His interception rate (1.9%) for his career is tied for the 8th lowest in NFL history. He had the 3rd lowest interception rate (1.5%) in the league last year behind Stroud and Pickett. If anything I'd say he doesn't force it enough. Too conservative or careful at times.