'24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions

cmike · 08-29-2024, 06:27 PM

Carr leaves too much meat on the bone.
He has a Pro Bowl caliber ‘24 - ‘25 season.
Now a MVP type season would be nice but that’s an insane prediction.

AsylumGuido · 08-29-2024, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

Carr leaves too much meat on the bone.
He has a Pro Bowl caliber ‘24 - ‘25 season.
Now a MVP type season would be nice but that’s an insane prediction.

Agree with this. Carr has always been conservative. That's why he has one of the lowest interception rates in NFL history. Also why he has one of the best completion percentages. He needs to force it more. Trust himself and his receivers.

saintsfan1976 · 08-30-2024, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agree with this. Carr has always been conservative. That's why he has one of the lowest interception rates in NFL history. Also why he has one of the best completion percentages. He needs to force it more. Trust himself and his receivers.

Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB.

While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

Boston Saint · 08-30-2024, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB.

While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far….

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

SmashMouth · 08-30-2024, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far….

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years
It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) .

Boston Saint · 08-30-2024, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years
It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) .

Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading.

And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement.

Sinner · 08-30-2024, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading.

And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement.

Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others?

AsylumGuido · 08-30-2024, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years
It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) .

Top tier is extremely rarely available. Average in the NFL means the QB is one of the 16-17 best at what they do in the entire world.

saintsfan1976 · 08-30-2024, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far….

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years

Stats can always be misleading. Point taken, point proven.

I think Carr has a lot to offer this offense if he can be quick, accurate and consistent.

08-29-2024, 06:27 PM	#1
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,448	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Carr leaves too much meat on the bone. He has a Pro Bowl caliber ‘24 - ‘25 season. Now a MVP type season would be nice but that’s an insane prediction.

08-29-2024, 06:57 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,806	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by cmike Carr leaves too much meat on the bone. He has a Pro Bowl caliber ‘24 - ‘25 season. Now a MVP type season would be nice but that’s an insane prediction. Agree with this. Carr has always been conservative. That's why he has one of the lowest interception rates in NFL history. Also why he has one of the best completion percentages. He needs to force it more. Trust himself and his receivers.

08-30-2024, 07:37 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,069 Blog Entries: 3	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agree with this. Carr has always been conservative. That's why he has one of the lowest interception rates in NFL history. Also why he has one of the best completion percentages. He needs to force it more. Trust himself and his receivers. Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB. While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years jnormand, leilung, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

08-30-2024, 08:04 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Over the last 10 years, Derek Carr has thrown 107 interceptions, which ties him with Matt Stafford for MOST INTS thrown by an NFL QB. While true, his "INT % Rate" (1.9%) does rank him in the top 6 QBs , that's because he also leads the NFL in "Pass Attempts" at 5,506. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far…. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years jnormand and saintsfan1976 like this.

08-30-2024, 08:10 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,080 Blog Entries: 29	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far…. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) . jnormand, Sinner and K Major like this.

08-30-2024, 08:23 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by SmashMouth If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) . Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading. And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-30-2024, 08:55 AM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sure, but that’s because Dalton played in 11 more games over that 15 years span. Those 11 games allowed him to throw four more touchdowns. Dalton and Carr’s TD percentages are virtually the same. Their INT percentages are not. Thats why I called it misleading. And I’m certainly not putting Carr in the Mahomes greatness category. But I believe Guido’s point is valid in that he is not an interception machine. In fact, he’s never had a season with more interceptions than touchdowns. Lots of HOF QBs can’t make that same statement. Don’t y’all ever get tired of trying to prove that we $uck less than some others? SmashMouth likes this.
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08-30-2024, 10:20 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,806	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by SmashMouth If one goes back 5 more years, Andy Dalton has more TDs. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-15-years It also shows he's average. Average is better than bad, but it's not top tier which is what you need when the rest of the team isn't as good (As Brees and Brady showcased, Mahomes too now) . Top tier is extremely rarely available. Average in the NFL means the QB is one of the 16-17 best at what they do in the entire world.

08-30-2024, 06:50 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,069 Blog Entries: 3	Re: '24-'25 Saints Bold Predictions Originally Posted by Boston Saint This is rather misleading as well. Many starting QBs haven’t even been in the league 10 years. Carr is high on the TD list if you go back that far…. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/mos...-last-10-years Stats can always be misleading. Point taken, point proven. I think Carr has a lot to offer this offense if he can be quick, accurate and consistent. jnormand, AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.