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Is Bryan Bresee a Liability despite Sacks?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hitta I've never been a huge fan, even when he was drafted. Honestly, he's turned out better than I expected, but I still think he's a flawed player. My thoughts as well. He's a situational DT....

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Old 10-03-2024, 06:58 AM   #1
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Re: Is Bryan Bresee a Liability despite Sacks?

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I've never been a huge fan, even when he was drafted. Honestly, he's turned out better than I expected, but I still think he's a flawed player.
My thoughts as well. He's a situational DT.
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I've never been a huge fan, even when he was drafted. Honestly, he's turned out better than I expected, but I still think he's a flawed player.
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My thoughts as well. He's a situational DT.
Certainly a better draft pick than WTFoskey... Or Peyton Turner.
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Certainly a better draft pick than WTFoskey... Or Peyton Turner.
Should we blame Sean Payton for the Peyton Turner selection ?
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth View Post
Certainly a better draft pick than WTFoskey... Or Peyton Turner.
I don't necessarily agree.

Bryan Bresee's PFF scores for 23 and 24 are 45.5 and 36.7.

Foskey's are 62.2 and 61.4. Foskey may not have the sacks but when he is on the field he does try to tackle runners. Like I say we could consider moving Foskey to DT where he would cover the traditional responsibilities of one better than Bresee.

Turner's pff scores go back to 2021 and are 64.6, 69.6, 60.5, and 72.5 but obviously Turner has been hurt a lot. When healthy, he is clearly better than Breseee.

Neither Foskey nor Turner have ever had a season pff score within a full grade of being as low as Bresee's best score. I know some people discount those scores but I think they mean something. I think when people review the tape they see Bresee almost never impacting the run game, and that a large portion of his sacks are more related to other pass rushers driving the QB toward Bresee, who never beat his own man, but then can just reach and bring down the QB, or disengage from the oline and get to the qb behind or beside him. And yet still Bresee misses many of these opportunities.

If Penning can go from looking bad and barely playing many games to being a seemingly competent starter at times in year 3, maybe Foskey can too, who knows. And maybe Turner can overcome injuries though I would never trust him with a big contract. Bresee needs to overcome arm tackling, not impacting the line of scrimmage, and ignoring the run game.
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint View Post
I don't necessarily agree.

Bryan Bresee's PFF scores for 23 and 24 are 45.5 and 36.7.

Foskey's are 62.2 and 61.4. Foskey may not have the sacks but when he is on the field he does try to tackle runners. Like I say we could consider moving Foskey to DT where he would cover the traditional responsibilities of one better than Bresee.

Turner's pff scores go back to 2021 and are 64.6, 69.6, 60.5, and 72.5 but obviously Turner has been hurt a lot. When healthy, he is clearly better than Breseee.

Neither Foskey nor Turner have ever had a season pff score within a full grade of being as low as Bresee's best score. I know some people discount those scores but I think they mean something. I think when people review the tape they see Bresee almost never impacting the run game, and that a large portion of his sacks are more related to other pass rushers driving the QB toward Bresee, who never beat his own man, but then can just reach and bring down the QB, or disengage from the oline and get to the qb behind or beside him. And yet still Bresee misses many of these opportunities.

If Penning can go from looking bad and barely playing many games to being a seemingly competent starter at times in year 3, maybe Foskey can too, who knows. And maybe Turner can overcome injuries though I would never trust him with a big contract. Bresee needs to overcome arm tackling, not impacting the line of scrimmage, and ignoring the run game.
What about your salary cap angle?
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Old 10-03-2024, 11:12 PM   #6
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What about your salary cap angle?
None of them affect the cap much. Turner will be a free agent but based on his history he might be less expensive next year if we keep him on a 1 year deal.
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