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Ideally it makes a lot of sense.

What are the pros & cons and would you trade for him?

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I'd be excited to have him. But we have many more holes, OL and DL especially

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What happens with this WR core once Olave and/or Shaheed gets injured? ... well Chris technically played through an injury last week.

- 1 year rental

Adams would have to restructure his contract.

I don't see this team as being "one player away" from a deep post season run. With this current O line, he may not be a difference maker.

I wouldn't give up a 2. At best, #3.

Lastly, he's up in age but still a good player. Just my couch GM opinion.

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Excluding maybe the Giants, Bears and Panthers I don’t believe there isn’t a team in the NFC that is not capable of making a deep playoff run. Who scares anyone over here. I mean Sam Darnold and the Vikings are the best team right now. It’s wide open so I say one big name player could make a small difference.

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Agree but are there upgrades available and presenting themselves to us?

McCoy will be back and our remaining schedule is favorable. What could Adams mean to this offense if we (gasp) make the playoffs!!??

He's 32 and wants to win a ring more than money. I'd bet we get 2-3 years

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To sweeten the deal, I'd throw in Paulson Adebo or A.T. Perry. Don't see the Saints building with those guys long term.

Listening to Underhill on his recent podcast, doesn't sound like Perry will have any integral part on offense going forward :rolleyes:.

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What good is it if the offensive line can't give the QB more than 2 seconds or properly block in the run game to keep the defense from going for the QB every down?

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Add him to the mix. We’re locked in with Carr anyway. Might as well try to maximize your firepower and see where it takes you.

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Exactly... if we're going to trade, let's get some OL depth.

Eff those overpriced soon to be over-the-hill prima donnas.

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Danno is correct.
If the Saints can improve the O-line and/or D-line before the trade deadline the Saints chances of getting to the playoffs improves.

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Kick the tires and hopefully drive up the price for another team. It'd be pushing it to think we can afford him.

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That would be nice but there aren't any out there. I heard once again yesterday on NFL Radio about the record number of offensive line injuries. Almost every team has been affected and is wanting something that simply isn't available ... starter quality linemen.

A byproduct of the situation is the lack of production across the league for tight ends. TE's are being used in the blocking game more now than ever to cover for the lack of quality depth on the line.

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Which team(s) are trading good o line depth a month into the season?

I'd argue Kubiak did a good job to rebound with a full week of practice when game planning for Atl. We averaged over 5 ypc & over 130 yards rushing.

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^^ This

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As many have already stated, you can’t trade for a commodity that is unavailable.

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There is one place that Oline and Dline depth are available. The NFL Draft. We found that out when we selected a tackle in the first round of the 2024 NFL draft who is performing well. NFL draft picks are available in mid-season trades, and we also already have a number of picks in the 2025 NFL Draft, approximately one in each round. I am excited about the draft picks we have, and would be more excited about having more, because I believe those draft picks are much more likely to contribute to bringing our team a championship than a wide receiver who is about to turn 32, and whose contribution will be diminished by the lack of time our QB has to throw, just like our existing receivers, who are all better edge/deep than over the middle taking hits just like Adams. I would not be excited if we traded draft picks, that could address our oline and dline issues, for a redundant aging deep/edge receiver who cannot address those issues.

To some extend Adams could be more effective catching passes over the middle than Olave and Shaheed perhaps, and taking hits that come with them, forcing teams to protect the whole field more. But to the extent he can do that, he would also be a 32 years old taking all those hits, the same problem we see with Taysom Hill, and saw last year with Michael Thomas. Bringing in a very expensive 32yo receiver to catch the 'murder balls' seems risky. We lack nothing for deep threats. We lack nothing for edge receivers. We miss Michael Thomas from a skill standpoint. We lack a TE like Kittle. Bring in Adams to do that, and fair chance he gets injured.

I don't totally understand how injury settlements work but its worth considering what would happen if we brought in Adams and he had a significant injury. Adams is due $36 million in 2025. Everyone says nobody will pay that. But a player can't be cut without an injury settlement if they can't pass a physical. Dez Bryant was in this 30yo season when he signed the Saints and tore his ACL. Adams is in his age 32 season. Why would he agree to an injury settlement of less than $30 million if he is injured in 2024 and can't pass a physical before week 1 of 2025? And then if we are stuck with him in 2025 do we play him? If its reinjured we are in the same boat for 2026. That big salary is not just a fake number, it may present a danger on the books.

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I'd like to keep our draft picks, but one of our needs along with DL and OL is another WR.
Trading for Adams takes that need off the table.

Whats more logical, a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a WR who may or may not stud out or acquiring Adams for that same 2nd or 3rd round pick?

I just might prefer Adams to a WR draft pick. Assuming everyone agrees we need another WR alongside Olave and Shaspeed.

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The standard salary for a 2nd to 3rd round pick WR is significantly less than $36 million a year. So its not a 1:1 thing. We can have the draft pick and $34 million to spend on other players.

Looking at options from 2024 draft and free agency as examples vs Adams, would you rather have 32yo Adams or Adonai Mitchell, Darnell Mooney, Mile Williams, Derrick Henry, and $2 million to spare? I would take the 3 young players and the old RB over the old WR.

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It makes sense for this year's team. The defense is legit. The offense needs someone, anyone, to make a play besides Kamara, Olave Shaheed, and Hill who's now injured. The draft capital and cap implications to get Adams are just not good. He's 32. Hasn't played this season. I honestly don't think anyone will actually trade for him when it's all said and done.

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Hopefully we can get Adams.

The Saints are all banged up. Lemieux, Grupe, Ruiz and Taysom Hill. I won't be surprised to see him land on IR.

We'll need more firepower :biggun:

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This team is 100% still in contention.

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Trade deadline is Nov 5.

Let the offers come in. Let the hamstring heal.

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For what its worth if we were to trade for an 30-something AFC player who wears the number 17, could be available on the trade market, would add a potent receiving threat to our offense, and is currently dealing with a hamstring injury, I would trade for Evan Engram. He is younger, would be cheaper, and we need a good TE more than we need a deep threat receiver. Engram had 963 yards receiving last year.

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I found a fun comparison: legendary receivers Davante Adams and Julio Jones.

Julio Jones was traded to the Tennessee Titans in his Age 32 season in 2021. Titans fans were excited, age is only a number.

Davante Adams is expected to be traded in this his Age 32 season.

PFF scores in the 4 years leading up to and including the trade:

Julio Jones:
2017: 91.7
2018: 90.9
2019: 90.6
2020: 86.3
2021: 74.2

Davante Adams:
2020: 92.2
2021: 92.7
2022: 90.1
2023: 79.1
2024: 64.4 (so far)

Do we really want to get fleeced by the Raiders?

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I’m not really on board with it if it comes with a huge price tag (which it probably will).

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I'd rather save all of our draft capital and beef up the O line and D line in the draft.

We are getting beat up front on both sides of the ball. That's where it starts.

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I'm hearing that "hamstring injury" would mysteriously disappear on a different roster. It won't be the first time, nor the last, that a player's agent has used that tactic to garner a trade.

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Maybe Evan Engram's hamstring injury would disappear too, the Jaguars are 0-4 compared to the Raiders at 2-2.

The Titans thought Julio Jones nagging injuries would disappear with a trade.

The Giant thought Darren Waller's nagging injuries would disappear with a trade.

Brandin Cooks, 9 months younger than Davante Adams, went on IR today.

Father time is undefeated, and if there were two groups who had the best idea if Adams was already starting to succumb to it, they would be the team / front office who are offering him up for trade, and PFF who graded every snap he played and show a steady decline with just enough skill left to fool the eyes on a few big plays but nowhere near the consistency.

If we were dominating the whole league already on course to win a ring, I could see trading for Adams as a 1 year rental, knowing that we lack depth at WR, and he could step in if Olave or Shaheed goes down and keep us on trade. But I dont think he is better than Olave or Shaheed anymore. PFF scores dont indicate he has really been better since 2022. And he does not offer something way different, he is another deep threat edge guy who doesn't need to be taking hits over the middle. So he would be used for depth and rotation. That does not make us way better, but keeps us more steady on course for where we are already heading in one rare scenario that the main future injury challenge we face happens to be at WR not QB, more oline, defense, Kamara, etc, at a big cost to future years cap (even if we cut him, we owe money on the restructures used to make room to sign him), some draft picks we desperately need, and a big risk if he were injured and could not be cut and we had to pay him $36 million next year to be Bucs Julio Jones. The thing is, we are looking like an 8-10 win team right now, a team that could sneak into the wild card, maybe have a 1-in-3 chance to upset a team like the Bucs or Seahawks on the road, and then get knocked out by a stronger team. Its not worth mortgaging the future to take a flier on protecting that result from WR injury. We aren't on track for a ring, and he is not the player who puts us on track for one, because he addresses none of our biggest weaknesses: oline, dline, possession WR / TE who can attack the middle of the field. The best place to address those is the draft. The cheapest and most practical way to address them in season is TE.

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I wouldn’t be mad at Engram. Definitely improves the roster.

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I guess you totally misunderstood the "disappearing hamstring". There are serious doubts that Adams truly has any hamstring injury. They addressed this yesterday afternoon on NFL Radio in a segment with Dr. David Chou, @profootballdoc. He said there's no way to know for sure if a player that wants (or is instructed) to hold out truly has a given injury in many cases. A hamstring is one of those. He said he had encountered that himself over the years saying the player would be dealt and "miraculously" is able to play right away with his new team.

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Adams won’t make much of a difference playing with the Jets.

ARod looks close to being washed.

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No I didn't misunderstand. I just contended that Engram's hamstring injury could be fake too. He could be fed up with the Jags and looking to play for a contender. Likewise, its hard to tell if all of our injured players are really injured. Lattimore, Thomas, and Winston were 'injured' a lot last year, and it could be that they were just in DA's dog house. Likewise who knows if AT Perry is actually injured or if the team is diagnosing him with some made up stuff to justify cutting him because he somehow took Winston's side on the victory formation thing.

My point is that I don't care if Adams is 100% healthy. He is also 100% 31 years and 9 months old. Basically the same age as Julio Jones when traded to the Titans. He is a player whose pff scores have declined from the 90's in 2022 and prior to 79 in 2023 to 64 in 2024. 64 is still enough to make a few plays if the ball is forced his way but would make him our #3 WR. But with that rate of decline it won't be enough to even be a #3 WR or regular contributor in 2025, in 2025 he projects to be Bucs Julio Jones. But we could risk paying our #4/5 WR $36 million next year if he is injured this year and can't be cut. I would rather not give up draft picks and considerable money for a #3 WR with a potential poison pill to nuke our 2025 cap.

It's also possible the Raiders know Adams has lost a step and they, not his agent, are encouraging him to sit out while demanding a trade. If he has lost a step, the more tape there is to show it, the lower his trade value. They also may be hesitant to risk owing him $36 million in 2025 if he tears his ACL. If Adams has lost a step, having him sit out so no more damning evidence makes it to the tape, and simultaneously engineering a whispering campaign that he is 100% but just wants a trade, is actually a great strategy from the Raiders to maximize his value. Maybe the Saints could have got picks for Lattimore in trade if they had convinced teams he has been injury free and only missed games to angle for a trade and is still the same player as a few years ago.

If we win against the Chiefs, indicating we are more competitive than I think, I could see adding Adams if the cost is cheap, the Raiders cover a bit of his salary, and he would agree to a fundamentally different contract that does not put $36 million on the books for 2025. A reasonable agreement could be to change his 2025 and 2026 salaries to $8 million but give him the ability to opt out either year. This way he has some protection from injury but not $36 million protection from injury. The end result is the same that he would likely either be a 1 year rental or have to renegotiate again to stay, but for the rest of THIS season having $8 million on the books if he tears an ACL like Dez Bryant is MUCH MUCH safer than being on the hook for $36 million if he pulls a Dez.

If we lose against the Chiefs, I think we need to wait for the Bucs game to make any moves. If we lose to the Bucs too, I think we need to consider being sellers in the trade market. A wise man once said that you need to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. That doesn't mean you never fold them because you try to win every hand until the end no matter what the cost is.

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Maybe we should get an offensive lineman to give our quarterback and receivers more time

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The Saints addressed it by signing Connor McGovern.

With Shane Lemieux (sp) out tomorrow, there is a good chance that Connor will start vs. KC.

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Sorry. Not wasting my time reading all that. Why is it beyond you to give straight forward replies as apposed to novellas?

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Perhaps similar to Kendre Miller...

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Why discourage someone from giving a well thought out post?