Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship"

TheOak · 10-22-2024, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc.

The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us.

In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins.

Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision.

Would probably be more efficient to ask what I meant than to refute a non existent point. How a team handles a player at the end of their career never crossed my mind. Systemic can be a number of things and they all impact where a player wants to go or stay, especially someone later in their career like Kamara.

- Pay is not systemic. That's business.
- Not extending certain contracts is not systemic. That's business
- Organizations (system) chances at a Super Bowl ring is systemic.
- Coaching staff (system) and their ability to coach is systemic.
- Medical staff (system) and their ability to keep someone healthy is. Think maybe he is looking at himself, the triage list, and wanting some longevity? Even we have questioned the ability if the medical team. Remember Delvin Breaux at all? Kamara was on the team Delvin had his problems.

To be honest, I am not entire sure you know what you are replying to.

jonnyrotten · 10-22-2024, 10:40 AM

Dump Kamara, he has no value on the team anymore. He straight quit last game, body language was garbage, his energy was garbage, his effort was garbage.

jonnyrotten · 10-22-2024, 07:23 PM

Great so we sign him to a ridiculously priced extension.. perfect.

jonnyrotten · 10-22-2024, 07:23 PM

24.5 million reasons to quit on his team

SmashMouth · 10-22-2024, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

Great so we sign him to a ridiculously priced extension.. perfect.

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

24.5 million reasons to quit on his team

rezburna · 10-22-2024, 08:11 PM

I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive.

BakoSaint · 10-22-2024, 09:15 PM

I would still have to see the structure of the deal and how much it guarantees to completely decide what I feel. Overall I feel it would be smarter to trade him or release him because we will not be contending for a title in 2025 and Kamara is likely to decline further in 2025 or 2026. It is very possible that Kamara will not be in the league in 2026 just like for example Dalvin Cook is pretty much out of the league now (0 stats on the year) two years after his last semi-productive season.

$12 million a year is Saquon Barkley money. Barkley is younger and more productive than Kamara.

$8 million a year is Joe Mixon money. Mixon is younger and slightly more productive than Kamara though Kamara is more versatile in the passing game.

$8 million a year is also Derrick Henry money. Henry is a little older than Kamara but has been more productive.

$12.5m/yr is way above market for a 29yo RB on a 2-5 team in salary cap hell with no long term plan at QB or HC that needs to rebuild. If Kamara's 2 year $24.5m extension is actually only $8m or less guaranteed the first year and 2026 is a fake filler year for $16.5m or more with nothing guaranteed, it could be 'within reason' but I still think it makes no sense for this franchise where we stand today.

If there are a lot of guaranteed and Kamara has 2026 money guaranteed so that he makes $6m or more in 2026 even if he is totally washed, this is another BS Cam Jordan retirement contract. Jordan got 3 years, 3 sacks, $30 million guaranteed. I hope Kamara did not get 2 years, 2 yards per carry, $20 million guaranteed.

SmashMouth · 10-22-2024, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive.

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lee909 · 10-22-2024, 10:07 PM

Stupidity this deal

12ml a year for a guy who's missing more and more games, who's numbers starting declining 3 years ago. Amd we know come next off-season Mickey adds void years and starts extending him even longer

mapcow · 10-23-2024, 09:39 AM

cut bait... lose the thug. I was right about the prima donna #13 and i am right about the thug.

10-22-2024, 09:50 AM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,024	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by BakoSaint The idea that if you don't 'take care of your own' you won't be able to 'attract talent' is almost entirely baseless. If a team literally never extended its own stars in their prime, perhaps it could be true, but letting an older running back walk during a rebuilding year or as a strategic decision is something every team in the NFL has done and would have no effect on attracting talent in the future. Also, if we had Derrick Henry, we should trade him too. There is no place for an expensive aging RB on this team and we need draft picks to find more oline, a WR3/4, young RB depth, a TE, etc. The 49ers let Gore and Mostert walk. The Cowboys let Smith, Elliott, and Pollard walk. The Eagles let Miles Sanders walk. The Packers let Aaron Jones walk. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook walk. The Rams let Todd Gurley walk. The Saints like Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush, and Mark Ingram walk. Letting Kamara loose as he is about 30 and we are in a rebuild is smart and no talent would hold it against us. In the scheme of things at other positions the 49ers let Joe Montana and Jerry Rice walk. The Patriots kept their cap under control for a 6 ring dynasty letting stars walk. The Packers let Favre and Rodgers walk. The Falcons let Matt Ryan and Julio Jones walk but were able to sign Kirk Cousins. Its a business. Everyone understands that. Trading or eventually releasing Kamara to gain a draft pick and $10-20 million of long term cap relief is a good business decision. Would probably be more efficient to ask what I meant than to refute a non existent point. How a team handles a player at the end of their career never crossed my mind. Systemic can be a number of things and they all impact where a player wants to go or stay, especially someone later in their career like Kamara. - Pay is not systemic. That's business. - Not extending certain contracts is not systemic. That's business - Organizations (system) chances at a Super Bowl ring is systemic. - Coaching staff (system) and their ability to coach is systemic. - Medical staff (system) and their ability to keep someone healthy is. Think maybe he is looking at himself, the triage list, and wanting some longevity? Even we have questioned the ability if the medical team. Remember Delvin Breaux at all? Kamara was on the team Delvin had his problems. To be honest, I am not entire sure you know what you are replying to.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-22-2024, 10:40 AM	#22
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Dump Kamara, he has no value on the team anymore. He straight quit last game, body language was garbage, his energy was garbage, his effort was garbage. mapcow and Sinner like this.

10-22-2024, 07:23 PM	#23
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Great so we sign him to a ridiculously priced extension.. perfect.

10-22-2024, 07:23 PM	#24
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" 24.5 million reasons to quit on his team

10-22-2024, 07:35 PM	#25
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10-22-2024, 08:11 PM	#26
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,879	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive. saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.

10-22-2024, 09:15 PM	#27
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,129	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" I would still have to see the structure of the deal and how much it guarantees to completely decide what I feel. Overall I feel it would be smarter to trade him or release him because we will not be contending for a title in 2025 and Kamara is likely to decline further in 2025 or 2026. It is very possible that Kamara will not be in the league in 2026 just like for example Dalvin Cook is pretty much out of the league now (0 stats on the year) two years after his last semi-productive season. $12 million a year is Saquon Barkley money. Barkley is younger and more productive than Kamara. $8 million a year is Joe Mixon money. Mixon is younger and slightly more productive than Kamara though Kamara is more versatile in the passing game. $8 million a year is also Derrick Henry money. Henry is a little older than Kamara but has been more productive. $12.5m/yr is way above market for a 29yo RB on a 2-5 team in salary cap hell with no long term plan at QB or HC that needs to rebuild. If Kamara's 2 year $24.5m extension is actually only $8m or less guaranteed the first year and 2026 is a fake filler year for $16.5m or more with nothing guaranteed, it could be 'within reason' but I still think it makes no sense for this franchise where we stand today. If there are a lot of guaranteed and Kamara has 2026 money guaranteed so that he makes $6m or more in 2026 even if he is totally washed, this is another BS Cam Jordan retirement contract. Jordan got 3 years, 3 sacks, $30 million guaranteed. I hope Kamara did not get 2 years, 2 yards per carry, $20 million guaranteed.
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10-22-2024, 09:48 PM	#28
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,110 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive. Twitter iceshack149 likes this.

10-22-2024, 10:07 PM	#29
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,802 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Stupidity this deal 12ml a year for a guy who's missing more and more games, who's numbers starting declining 3 years ago. Amd we know come next off-season Mickey adds void years and starts extending him even longer BakoSaint likes this.

10-23-2024, 09:39 AM	#30
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,749	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" cut bait... lose the thug. I was right about the prima donna #13 and i am right about the thug. Sinner likes this.
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