Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship"

Papa Voodoo · 10-24-2024, 01:36 PM

I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

Sinner · 10-24-2024, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient.

K Major · 10-24-2024, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient.

Everyday that Loomis allows Dennis Allen to "lead" this team, further erodes the culture inside the Saints facility & perception of the team outside.

If this was a company, does anyone believe the board would allow a crappy CEO just remain because there are debts to pay?

The man should have been relieved of his dutes at the end of 2023 season.

LAZY hire.

iceshack149 · 10-24-2024, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

Those seasons came after the league suspended Payton and multiple starters in 2012 and took away draft picks from the team. Despite this, Payton was given some grace having won the Superbowl three years prior to the Bountygate hoax.

Rugby Saint II · 10-24-2024, 02:49 PM

It is tough to build depth on a roster when you continually trade up for players that don't work out.

Papa Voodoo · 10-24-2024, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

It is tough to build depth on a roster when you continually trade up for players that don't work out.

This was a big criticism of Sean. Olave was a great pick under DA. Penning not so much. Bresee isn’t a bust but needs to improve. Fuaga is doing well.

Sinner · 10-24-2024, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

This was a big criticism of Sean. Olave was a great pick under DA. Penning not so much. Bresee isn’t a bust but needs to improve. Fuaga is doing well.

And we need a new Head Coach.

Papa Voodoo · 10-25-2024, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

And we need a new Head Coach.

We need a better head coach. We’ve done the new coach thing plenty with terrible results. At the end of Sean’s tenure the defense led the team. We let too many of those players go and the older ones are getting too old for a redo. A rebuild can be highly effective if smart choices are made. Otherwise it will be Groundhog Day. Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo?

jnormand · 10-25-2024, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

We need a better head coach. We’ve done the new coach thing plenty with terrible results. At the end of Sean’s tenure the defense led the team. We let too many of those players go and the older ones are getting too old for a redo. A rebuild can be highly effective if smart choices are made. Otherwise it will be Groundhog Day. Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo?

DA isn’t going to take a demotion to DC on this team while someone else takes over as HC.

So it doesn’t really matter. If DA goes, he’ll be a DC somewhere else I’m sure. But he’s obviously not cut out for the HC duties.

K Major · 10-25-2024, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo?

His current dead last NFL defense ?

Allen needs to be gone completely from New Orleans.

10-24-2024, 01:36 PM	#41
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

10-24-2024, 02:03 PM	#42
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,900	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees. Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient. K Major likes this.
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10-24-2024, 02:28 PM	#43
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Sinner Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient. Everyday that Loomis allows Dennis Allen to "lead" this team, further erodes the culture inside the Saints facility & perception of the team outside. If this was a company, does anyone believe the board would allow a crappy CEO just remain because there are debts to pay? The man should have been relieved of his dutes at the end of 2023 season. LAZY hire. Sinner likes this.

10-24-2024, 02:40 PM	#44
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees. Those seasons came after the league suspended Payton and multiple starters in 2012 and took away draft picks from the team. Despite this, Payton was given some grace having won the Superbowl three years prior to the Bountygate hoax. Sinner likes this.

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10-24-2024, 04:46 PM	#46
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II It is tough to build depth on a roster when you continually trade up for players that don't work out. This was a big criticism of Sean. Olave was a great pick under DA. Penning not so much. Bresee isn’t a bust but needs to improve. Fuaga is doing well. UK_WhoDat likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,900	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo This was a big criticism of Sean. Olave was a great pick under DA. Penning not so much. Bresee isn’t a bust but needs to improve. Fuaga is doing well. And we need a new Head Coach. K Major and rezburna like this.
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10-25-2024, 04:15 PM	#48
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Sinner And we need a new Head Coach. We need a better head coach. We’ve done the new coach thing plenty with terrible results. At the end of Sean’s tenure the defense led the team. We let too many of those players go and the older ones are getting too old for a redo. A rebuild can be highly effective if smart choices are made. Otherwise it will be Groundhog Day. Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo? Danno likes this.

10-25-2024, 04:29 PM	#49
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,663	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo We need a better head coach. We’ve done the new coach thing plenty with terrible results. At the end of Sean’s tenure the defense led the team. We let too many of those players go and the older ones are getting too old for a redo. A rebuild can be highly effective if smart choices are made. Otherwise it will be Groundhog Day. Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo? DA isn’t going to take a demotion to DC on this team while someone else takes over as HC. So it doesn’t really matter. If DA goes, he’ll be a DC somewhere else I’m sure. But he’s obviously not cut out for the HC duties.

10-25-2024, 04:36 PM	#50
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Is the consensus that DA should go all together or rather move back to D coordinator like Spagnuolo? His current dead last NFL defense ? Allen needs to be gone completely from New Orleans.