Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship"

saintsfan1976 · 10-23-2024, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive.

I'm not "mad" but this is another missed opportunity to improve this roster.

We lost a center and then our entire team folded like a rental chair because we have NO DEPTH, too many OLD PLAYERS, and not enough assets to turn it around.

rezburna · 10-23-2024, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm not "mad" but this is another missed opportunity to improve this roster.

We lost a center and then our entire team folded like a rental chair because we have NO DEPTH, too many OLD PLAYERS, and not enough assets to turn it around.

I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK.

Sinner · 10-23-2024, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK.

Woulda coulda shoulda - DIDN’T put a winning team together. A proper offense, built around the tools we have in TAYSOM, AK, and others, built around RATTLER, with protection, would not have trashed our talent with injuries and misuse, and would have blown a lot of our opposition away with something fresh, well beyond the Panthers and the Cowboys. Instead, Dennis Allen’s sorry a$$ is still on the sidelines, and Derek Carr is fixing to limp back into position to underwhelm, if not totally disappoint us. We in a bad way.

saintsfan1976 · 10-24-2024, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK.

You emphasized my point. The roster is trash. Too many old players and I'll add to that - too many wasted draft picks leaving little to no depth.

I love Kamara. We'll have him for two more seasons. But what kind of team will he be playing for?

It'll be interesting to see how the roster shapes up while we're stuck with Dennis Allen, a treading-water HC who has an enabler for GM...

subguy · 10-24-2024, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You emphasized my point. The roster is trash. Too many old players and I'll add to that - too many wasted draft picks leaving little to no depth.

I love Kamara. We'll have him for two more seasons. But what kind of team will he be playing for?

It'll be interesting to see how the roster shapes up while we're stuck with Dennis Allen, a treading-water HC who has an enabler for GM...

I love Kamara as well, but let's be honest he needs to be placed in the "too many old players " category.

BakoSaint · 10-22-2024, 08:15 PM

I would still have to see the structure of the deal and how much it guarantees to completely decide what I feel. Overall I feel it would be smarter to trade him or release him because we will not be contending for a title in 2025 and Kamara is likely to decline further in 2025 or 2026. It is very possible that Kamara will not be in the league in 2026 just like for example Dalvin Cook is pretty much out of the league now (0 stats on the year) two years after his last semi-productive season.

$12 million a year is Saquon Barkley money. Barkley is younger and more productive than Kamara.

$8 million a year is Joe Mixon money. Mixon is younger and slightly more productive than Kamara though Kamara is more versatile in the passing game.

$8 million a year is also Derrick Henry money. Henry is a little older than Kamara but has been more productive.

$12.5m/yr is way above market for a 29yo RB on a 2-5 team in salary cap hell with no long term plan at QB or HC that needs to rebuild. If Kamara's 2 year $24.5m extension is actually only $8m or less guaranteed the first year and 2026 is a fake filler year for $16.5m or more with nothing guaranteed, it could be 'within reason' but I still think it makes no sense for this franchise where we stand today.

If there are a lot of guaranteed and Kamara has 2026 money guaranteed so that he makes $6m or more in 2026 even if he is totally washed, this is another BS Cam Jordan retirement contract. Jordan got 3 years, 3 sacks, $30 million guaranteed. I hope Kamara did not get 2 years, 2 yards per carry, $20 million guaranteed.

lee909 · 10-22-2024, 09:07 PM

Stupidity this deal

12ml a year for a guy who's missing more and more games, who's numbers starting declining 3 years ago. Amd we know come next off-season Mickey adds void years and starts extending him even longer

mapcow · 10-23-2024, 08:39 AM

cut bait... lose the thug. I was right about the prima donna #13 and i am right about the thug.

Papa Voodoo · 10-24-2024, 12:36 PM

I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

Sinner · 10-24-2024, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient.

10-23-2024, 05:53 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm not "mad" but this is another missed opportunity to improve this roster. We lost a center and then our entire team folded like a rental chair because we have NO DEPTH, too many OLD PLAYERS, and not enough assets to turn it around. I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK. Sinner and bobdog86 like this.
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10-23-2024, 06:32 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by rezburna I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK. Woulda coulda shoulda - DIDN’T put a winning team together. A proper offense, built around the tools we have in TAYSOM, AK, and others, built around RATTLER, with protection, would not have trashed our talent with injuries and misuse, and would have blown a lot of our opposition away with something fresh, well beyond the Panthers and the Cowboys. Instead, Dennis Allen’s sorry a$$ is still on the sidelines, and Derek Carr is fixing to limp back into position to underwhelm, if not totally disappoint us. We in a bad way.
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10-24-2024, 06:29 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,047 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by rezburna I don’t think it’s a depth issue. Everybody around McCoy is trash outside of Fuaga. We entered the season without a quality LG. We had the opportunity to address that. We resigned a mediocre RG named Cesar Ruiz. We could have moved on and addressed that. We knew Ramcyzk was probably done for his career for months. We could have addressed that. We don’t have quality starters for us to start talking about depth. They prioritized DEPTH at cornerback, linebacker, and defensive end instead of finding STARTERS for the offensive line so we can actually see a productive AK. You emphasized my point. The roster is trash. Too many old players and I'll add to that - too many wasted draft picks leaving little to no depth. I love Kamara. We'll have him for two more seasons. But what kind of team will he be playing for? It'll be interesting to see how the roster shapes up while we're stuck with Dennis Allen, a treading-water HC who has an enabler for GM... iceshack149 likes this.

10-24-2024, 06:42 AM	#5
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,104	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You emphasized my point. The roster is trash. Too many old players and I'll add to that - too many wasted draft picks leaving little to no depth. I love Kamara. We'll have him for two more seasons. But what kind of team will he be playing for? It'll be interesting to see how the roster shapes up while we're stuck with Dennis Allen, a treading-water HC who has an enabler for GM... I love Kamara as well, but let's be honest he needs to be placed in the "too many old players " category.

10-22-2024, 08:15 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,408	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" I would still have to see the structure of the deal and how much it guarantees to completely decide what I feel. Overall I feel it would be smarter to trade him or release him because we will not be contending for a title in 2025 and Kamara is likely to decline further in 2025 or 2026. It is very possible that Kamara will not be in the league in 2026 just like for example Dalvin Cook is pretty much out of the league now (0 stats on the year) two years after his last semi-productive season. $12 million a year is Saquon Barkley money. Barkley is younger and more productive than Kamara. $8 million a year is Joe Mixon money. Mixon is younger and slightly more productive than Kamara though Kamara is more versatile in the passing game. $8 million a year is also Derrick Henry money. Henry is a little older than Kamara but has been more productive. $12.5m/yr is way above market for a 29yo RB on a 2-5 team in salary cap hell with no long term plan at QB or HC that needs to rebuild. If Kamara's 2 year $24.5m extension is actually only $8m or less guaranteed the first year and 2026 is a fake filler year for $16.5m or more with nothing guaranteed, it could be 'within reason' but I still think it makes no sense for this franchise where we stand today. If there are a lot of guaranteed and Kamara has 2026 money guaranteed so that he makes $6m or more in 2026 even if he is totally washed, this is another BS Cam Jordan retirement contract. Jordan got 3 years, 3 sacks, $30 million guaranteed. I hope Kamara did not get 2 years, 2 yards per carry, $20 million guaranteed.
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10-23-2024, 05:30 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,047 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not mad about it. Two years and he likely retires while still being productive. I'm not "mad" but this is another missed opportunity to improve this roster. We lost a center and then our entire team folded like a rental chair because we have NO DEPTH, too many OLD PLAYERS, and not enough assets to turn it around.

10-22-2024, 09:07 PM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Stupidity this deal 12ml a year for a guy who's missing more and more games, who's numbers starting declining 3 years ago. Amd we know come next off-season Mickey adds void years and starts extending him even longer BakoSaint likes this.

10-23-2024, 08:39 AM	#8
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" cut bait... lose the thug. I was right about the prima donna #13 and i am right about the thug. Sinner likes this.
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10-24-2024, 12:36 PM	#9
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees.

10-24-2024, 01:03 PM	#10
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Kamara to Payton - "Save me from this sinking ship" Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I sincerely hope you all were saying this exact same thing in weeks 1 and 2. Everyone criticized DA for not being animated. He finally does it after Dallas and now he should be fired. Sean had several bad seasons in a row with Drew Brees. Yeah, Dennis Allen needs at least two or three more years to develop Derek Carr, and allow the Defense to continue to quit on him, before we possibly win our pathetic division. We need to be patient. K Major likes this.
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