IS DENNIS ALLEN STILL HERE?
 

Y’all still don’t think we need to blow this whole thing up from the top-down?

I’m saying that the divine Lady Miss Gayle is the problem.

You think that Carrbage coming back is gonna get us on track?
Think again. Please.

WE ARE A TOTAL DISGRACE.

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Agreed. 💯. Nothing left to see here. And don’t tell me I’m not a fan. I want to win just as much as anyone. But I/We as fans have the same right to be pissed off as joyful. And right now it’s not fun.

I mean what more is there to see? Carr gonna come back and save us?

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Every week with DA coaching is a bye week.

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3 consecutive blowouts. No accountability. Poor coaching.

This team isn’t even mediocre, they’re terrible.

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So if we presume he is let go by the end of the season which non-retread coaches are out there to pursue?

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The season has already ended. He’s still here. At this rate, he’ll be here next year too.

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Hire the Manchester United coach who just got fired LMAO

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Like a Ted Lasso scenario, but opposite..... I just happen to be a MANU fan and Ten Hag has a lot of the same qualities as Dennis Allen, such as standing on the sidelines looking lost...

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I have a feeling Mickey will get pressed on his decision to stick with DA, and he will cite the Jets as an example because they haven't gotten a win yet with their interim. Ooof.

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I'm a MUFC fan as well. The difference between DA and Ten Hag is that Ten Hag actually won a couple of trophies. Other than beating the Falcons, what was the high point under DA?

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Dennis Allen

Oakland 8-28-0
NOLA 18-24-0 (including Chargers loss)
TOTAL 26-52-0

That's easy math there - he wins 1 out of 3 games he coaches.


The 6 game collapse is bad enough, but we're not trying to hold on to a coach that is just going through a losing streak or a tough time.

HE IS WHAT HIS RECORD SAYS HE IS

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…and HE’S STILL HERE…

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And so is Mickey Loomis.

He's failed about as much as the Head Coach.

This franchise is going backwards.

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Unfortunately, our problem goes all the way up to the old lady.

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unfortunately :beatnik:

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There's been another interview today where Mickey keeps saying that there's other factors in play for the failure of the team.

Its sad to see how this organisation has been ruined by that absolute moron Mickey Loomis.

Dennis Allen is nearing the worst record of all time for a head coach, and somehow still has backing from GM and Owner.

Unreal, we'll be basement dwellers for another 5 years if they don't get rid of them all this year.

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Basement dwellers? I believe we have only been "basement dwellers," or last in our division, twice since realignment back in 2002. Once was in Haslett's last year in 2015, the Katrina year. The only other time was under Sean Payton and Brees in 2008.

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Just step away from the pipe, sir…

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I didn't reference past years though because they are irrelevant. What I'm saying is, we are basement dwellers now and will continue to be whilst Loomis and DA are in charge.

If Gayle truly cared, she'd do what's right. But they are still making money, so why would she care about the product on the field?

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Thank you.

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We aren't basement dwellers now. We're at 2-6 right now playing with primarily backups. That can happen under any regime. But we're getting healthier and coming into the easiest half of our schedule. There are many teams that are in worse shape than we are at this moment.

As for Gayle, she does what most owners should do and that is leaving football to the football people. She's there supporting the team (I see her at all the home games for sure), but she doesn't make the football decisions.

As for making money, the revenue sharing structure of the league guarantees every owner makes money win, lose, or draw. She has no more or no less motivation than any other owner in the league as far as that goes.

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Put the pipe down son.

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I just can't buy into Gayle Benson being the problem. And she married Tom Benson the New Orleans Saints were flying high Tom Benson's will dictates having teams run. Gayle Benson does not know football. She was not from a football family. She did not play football. She married a football owner. This is not Gayle's fault.

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If a product or service $ucks for a long time, the OWNER has the ultimate responsibility to either correct it, or go OWN something else.

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Interesting takes here. Worth the few minute to watch and listen.

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What would expect him to say? While you can place the injury bug in large part, it still is no excuse for crappy product currently being presented. Other teams go through this, maybe not to this degree, but the drop-off in performance is hideous. Injuries should only by you a little time, at some point the excuse rings on deaf ears.

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Reason, not excuse. The drop-off in performance is most likely due to the lack of preparation coupled with the inferior talent of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string replacements. Every single game in this streak we've had no fewer than a half dozen players that haven't had more than two or three (limited) days of snaps with the 1st string. All continuity has been thrown out the window. There is ultimately a point of greatly diminished returns. Replacing two or three players can be accomplished with limited negative affects. The same cannot be said for replacing 40% of the starters. We've been seeing pretty much what I was expecting regardless of my "rosy" rhetoric.

There are currently ten teams in the league with the same or fewer wins as the Saints. That's a 3rd of the league and all have been affected more or less by the same issues we have faced as a team.

I do understand, however, that this doesn't make it any easier to stomach for many fans. I'll assure you that it doesn't make it any easier to stomach for the players, coaches, and front offices either. Unfortunately they all know that there's no easy immediate solution.

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You really do need to put that pipe down son.

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Just put the pipe down, son.

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Gayle isn't the issue. I'd much rather have an owner that stays in their proverbial lane than an owner that makes it all about them. And Loomis isn't going anywhere so the Saints need to make the necessary adjustments by looking at everyone in the organization from Loomis on down. Allen is the obvious start. Oschner is another problem that needs serious attention. Scouting, Ireland and Mueller need to be held to account.

The organization needs more of a spinal adjustment than a major surgery. Some big names like Cam Jordan need to be let go but they can't just go full demolish-mode and expect to win next year.

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I can't disagree with any of that other than Jordan. I don't believe he needs to be let go because I suspect he's planning retiring after this season anyway. With the class that Jordan has displayed throughout his entire career as a Saint I believe the team owes him the same respect to let him go out on his own terms.

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Have you ever run a business personally, as an Owner? If your product or service $ucked as bad as this Saints team, for this long, and you didn’t take full responsibility for making the necessary corrections, you’d be out of business.

You as an Owner are totally responsible for whatever changes need to be made, to keep your customers satisfied. The buck literally stops with you.

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That's obviously a simplistic take. NFL owners have a cash cow regardless of results.

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And THAT ^^^ is EXACTLY why the old lady has to go. She has a cash cow, while the customers (fans) get dogsh*t served up weekly. I honestly don’t know how y’all accept it.

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....and is being taken advantage of by said owner.... why improve the product when the ****ty product is selling, and the gullible patrons are buying...? :beatnik:

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That's correct, ice. The sinner guy doesn't appear to understand the dynamics of the NFL ownership structure. The NFL knows that every franchise has the potential to go through individual hardships of one kind or another. The stability of EVERY franchise was crucial to the long term success of the league. It was decided in the very early 1960's to share virtually all revenues so every franchise would be guaranteed to be successful regardless how well any individual team was performing on the field. The advent of third party ticket vendors has also almost guaranteed that every ticket will be sold to cover that small percentage that isn't shared in totality. Even if a team's own fans don't show up there are still opposing fans and virtual paid butts in the seats.

It is totally different than any "normal" business operation and to attempt to compare the two is meaningless.

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....and fool patrons, such as yourself, keep buying the ****ty product. :beatnik: