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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Bako's long post got me motivated to write for a little bit. I had an interesting thought this week, and would to know what others who have been a Saints fan for longer might think. I latched on with Saints ...

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Old 11-02-2024, 08:16 PM   #1
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What Mickey has accomplished is impressive

Bako's long post got me motivated to write for a little bit.


I had an interesting thought this week, and would to know what others who have been a Saints fan for longer might think. I latched on with Saints around 1993, so I'm not really an expert on the comparison I'm about to make.


Earlier this week on his channel, I heard T-Bob say that there is no comparison for the inept way that the Saints organization is run right now. But I think there might be one comparison ... the old Saints. The pre-Mora, pre salary cap era Saints.


Prior to the salary cap era, NFL teams had to go through long, long rebuilds in order to turn things around. The Saints were one of the worst in the league in this era. No salary cap, no free agency to help reset the roster. Had to build through the draft and usually did a crummy job of scouting and selecting. Average at best with regards to making trades. Very poor at selecting and hiring coaches. The paper bags did not appear without a good reason. Being a prime Super Bowl location and having great tourism was probably what kept the Saints afloat for so many of those bad years. But it had to be gruesome to be a fan in this era. Many years of ineptitude with no immediate hope in sight.


It's actually quite remarkable, because Mickey has pretty much engineered things perfectly to recreate this era and set us back to the pre-Mora days. Roster inflexibility is a major problem with all of the contract extensions/restructures. So many of the veteran contracts have poison pills where the dead cap penalty makes releasing or trading any of these players impossible. Even retirement (which could happen soon with Cam) cripples us. Drew's retirement brought on a dark cloud with the dead cap it yielded for 1-2 years. Hanging onto Dennis Allen has been pure stupidity. It's as if good coaches are hard to find. They aren't these days. Back in the old days they were because there was so little money in the profession and the legends like Shula and Bill Walsh held all the cards with their staffers remaining loyal and unlikely to leave. Our drafts are shoddy and possibly starting to resemble those sad drafts of the old days. And I bet in old days, the thin line between upper management and ownership parallels what we have now with the Gail/Lauscha/Loomis conondrum.



I say all this to say ... has Mickey put us in a predicament where we are strapped as tightly to futility/losing as the days of old? Is his excessive loyalty to DA (and to Carmichael before this year) a throwback to the days of old where we stayed loyal because we didn't feel there were better options? Doesn't it feel like Mickey is the old grandpa going 40mph on a 75mph freeway when he's not binging Matlock reruns and scotch? Of course there are other franchises like the Browns and Raiders who are a mess in their own right. But it seems like we're the hoarder whose prospects of a clean well-kept house is just not feasible.
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Old 11-02-2024, 08:31 PM   #2
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Yep, he's truly found a special way to screw us.

The thing that annoys me most about Loomis, is he won't admit he's wrong. When fans were upset last year about the lack of success, he used the meaningless win against Atlanta to rub it in people's faces, because the offense looked good, yet we still missed the playoffs.

And now with all this "you need to look beyond results" BS that he's spouting and comparing DA to hall of fame head coaches, it just proves how senile he actually is.

The guy would love nothing more than us to win a few more meaningless games, so he can just hold his press conference and say "I think we are close and people need to be patient" for the 3rd or 4th year in a row....

Couple that with bad drafts, bad contracts, bad coaching hires, letting good players go and not bringing in talent that meets or exceeds them. It's no surprise why this team is the mess it currently is.

I wouldn't trust DA or Loomis to run a bath.
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Old 11-02-2024, 08:39 PM   #3
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Since it seems like he AINT goin anywhere, it looks like we AINT either.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:40 AM   #4
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Just look at any cap calculator and the money being paid to the highest earners and the dead money next to it. How Loomis will continue is a joke

Carr 50ml
Lattimore 31ml
Cam Jordan 22ml
Ramcyzk 29ml
Hill 18ml

Loads of these players are going to get void year extensions. They already only have 29ml free cap space in 2026 and only have 40 players on roster.

Going to be more years of pain as they push this Dingwall of a roster/cap down hill.

The older players and big extensions should have been blown up after tbe loss to the Vikings in the playoffs but they had to push ine more try a few more times. Guarantee had they got Maholmes in the draft that year he would have been traded somewhere else because Brees and Payton were not giving up
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Originally Posted by neugey View Post
Doesn't it feel like Mickey is the old grandpa going 40mph on a 75mph freeway when he's not binging Matlock reruns and scotch?
I was with you all the way until you went rogue on me and started bashing scotch!
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Old 11-03-2024, 10:20 AM   #6
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So, given Loomis isn't going anywhere what do y'all have planned?
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Old 11-03-2024, 11:02 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
So, given Loomis isn't going anywhere what do y'all have planned?
Be mad as hell until our team is owned and managed by people who give a damn about WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES. It’s (unfortunately) part of being a Saints Fan now.
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Old 11-03-2024, 11:56 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
So, given Loomis isn't going anywhere what do y'all have planned?

Brace myself when the Saints are playing and thank the heavens for college football.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:24 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
So, given Loomis isn't going anywhere what do y'all have planned?
I'm just waiting it out until he does go somewhere. Miracles happen you know.
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Old 11-03-2024, 04:35 PM   #10
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I'm just waiting it out until he does go somewhere. Miracles happen you know.
What else can you do? At least you appear to know that whatever happens happens and it is out of our control. I'll just continue to make the best of whatever we have just like I have since 1967.

On to the Falcons.
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