Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds

11-11-2024, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't see it as undermining at all, diz. I believe that most of the players truly liked Dennis Allen, but no longer believed in him. As many here have said, he was a really good to great coordinator, but sucked as a head coach. I see nothing wrong with any of the players saying good things about someone they really liked personally. I'll bet Rizzi likes Allen as a person, as well, but may have disagreed with how he ran things.

Luckily for us, Gayle saw sense. Because Mickey was never going to fire his BFF.

AsylumGuido · 11-11-2024, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm kind of intrigued by Kevin Austin Jr.

He only made 2 catches, but they both converted 3rd downs from memory and the sideline catch on 3rd and 14 was very nice.

He's been out of college for over three years and those were his first ever NFL catches from what they said.

Danno · 11-11-2024, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Kamara with the record
Cam with the sack
DEs especially Young and Turner showed up
Honey Badger with the pick
MVS is a burner
Trevor Penning with a top grade from PFF (!)

Wait, what?

leilung · 11-12-2024, 08:38 AM

Penning has sure turned the corner! He's getting to be pretty rock solid on that RT! Can we put to bed the 'Bust' tag yet? Seems like he was a project with raw ability that just needed to be taught technique!

AsylumGuido · 11-12-2024, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Penning has sure turned the corner! He's getting to be pretty rock solid on that RT! Can we put to bed the 'Bust' tag yet? Seems like he was a project with raw ability that just needed to be taught technique!

I seem to remember one or two around here that also had Ruiz labeled as a bust. I've said this before and I'll repeat, collegiate players, especially offensive linemen, are not being developed prior to making it to the NFL. NCAA rules limiting time with players to 20 hours per week (including gameday) have led to vanilla offensive and defensive schemes with little or no work on fundamentals. College coaches barely have time to get players ready to play, forget about getting them to play right.

saintsfan1976 · 11-12-2024, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wait, what?

🥇 Trevor Penning - 92.7
🥈 Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 92.1
🥉 Derek Carr - 77.3
🏅 Cesar Ruiz - 77.1
🏅 Kevin Austin Jr. - 73.1

neugey · 11-12-2024, 12:42 PM

I'll gladly eat a ton of crow if Penning strings together good performances. Admittedly, the Falcons pass rush is not their strong suit, so I think we need to see more, especially against a Browns team that has Myles Garrett.

Crusader · 11-12-2024, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'll gladly eat a ton of crow if Penning strings together good performances. Admittedly, the Falcons pass rush is not their strong suit, so I think we need to see more, especially against a Browns team that has Myles Garrett.

Well i will give him that he has gone from being an absolute liability at LT to a serviceable RT. That is quite the turnaround.

I would like to see Penning used more to downblock while pulling Ruiz around to the outside. Penning is big and strong and could absolutely maul Grady Jarret if given a good angle. And Ruiz is athletic enough to get around and lead on the outside.

keithday123 · 11-12-2024, 04:49 PM

Well if penning has turned a corner then that sets up well for us in the draft to fulfill D-line needs and wait a round or 2 for O-line help. Not saying we shouldn’t be drafting O-line just hoping maybe it’s not the necessity we may have thought it was a few months ago.

AsylumGuido · 11-13-2024, 12:51 PM

11-11-2024, 03:57 PM	#31
Threaded by dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,181 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't see it as undermining at all, diz. I believe that most of the players truly liked Dennis Allen, but no longer believed in him. As many here have said, he was a really good to great coordinator, but sucked as a head coach. I see nothing wrong with any of the players saying good things about someone they really liked personally. I'll bet Rizzi likes Allen as a person, as well, but may have disagreed with how he ran things. Luckily for us, Gayle saw sense. Because Mickey was never going to fire his BFF. jnormand likes this.
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11-11-2024, 04:18 PM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,154	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm kind of intrigued by Kevin Austin Jr. He only made 2 catches, but they both converted 3rd downs from memory and the sideline catch on 3rd and 14 was very nice. He's been out of college for over three years and those were his first ever NFL catches from what they said.

11-11-2024, 04:40 PM	#33
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Kamara with the record Cam with the sack DEs especially Young and Turner showed up Honey Badger with the pick MVS is a burner Trevor Penning with a top grade from PFF (!) Wait, what? SmashMouth likes this.

11-12-2024, 08:38 AM	#34
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,367	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Penning has sure turned the corner! He's getting to be pretty rock solid on that RT! Can we put to bed the 'Bust' tag yet? Seems like he was a project with raw ability that just needed to be taught technique! jnormand and Danno like this.

11-12-2024, 09:02 AM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,154	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Originally Posted by leilung Penning has sure turned the corner! He's getting to be pretty rock solid on that RT! Can we put to bed the 'Bust' tag yet? Seems like he was a project with raw ability that just needed to be taught technique! I seem to remember one or two around here that also had Ruiz labeled as a bust. I've said this before and I'll repeat, collegiate players, especially offensive linemen, are not being developed prior to making it to the NFL. NCAA rules limiting time with players to 20 hours per week (including gameday) have led to vanilla offensive and defensive schemes with little or no work on fundamentals. College coaches barely have time to get players ready to play, forget about getting them to play right.

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11-12-2024, 09:10 AM	#36
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Originally Posted by Danno Wait, what? 🥇 Trevor Penning - 92.7 🥈 Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 92.1 🥉 Derek Carr - 77.3 🏅 Cesar Ruiz - 77.1 🏅 Kevin Austin Jr. - 73.1

11-12-2024, 12:42 PM	#37
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds I'll gladly eat a ton of crow if Penning strings together good performances. Admittedly, the Falcons pass rush is not their strong suit, so I think we need to see more, especially against a Browns team that has Myles Garrett.

11-12-2024, 01:00 PM	#38
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,023	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Originally Posted by neugey I'll gladly eat a ton of crow if Penning strings together good performances. Admittedly, the Falcons pass rush is not their strong suit, so I think we need to see more, especially against a Browns team that has Myles Garrett. Well i will give him that he has gone from being an absolute liability at LT to a serviceable RT. That is quite the turnaround. I would like to see Penning used more to downblock while pulling Ruiz around to the outside. Penning is big and strong and could absolutely maul Grady Jarret if given a good angle. And Ruiz is athletic enough to get around and lead on the outside. UK_WhoDat, neugey, leilung and 1 others like this.

11-12-2024, 04:49 PM	#39
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 183	Re: Observations from Saints beating Dirty Birds Well if penning has turned a corner then that sets up well for us in the draft to fulfill D-line needs and wait a round or 2 for O-line help. Not saying we shouldn’t be drafting O-line just hoping maybe it’s not the necessity we may have thought it was a few months ago. leilung and AsylumGuido like this.
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