Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture

arsaint · 12-09-2024, 03:45 PM

Carr - nice guy, fragile QB

Best for him and the Saints to part ways ASAP

voodooido · 12-10-2024, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

Carr - nice guy, fragile QB

Best for him and the Saints to part ways ASAP

Not unless a miracle happens. His dead cap hit is 51 million next year.

BakoSaint · 12-10-2024, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Not unless a miracle happens. His dead cap hit is 51 million next year.

It would not take a miracle. It would take the willingness to have a very bad season in 2025. Carr could be designate a post-June-1 cut at the start of the league year. That would defer $30mil of the $51mil dead cap hit to 2026 salary cap. Then we could restructure most our other players and make zero additions in free agency of anything more than veteran minimum level. We might go 0-17 or 0-18 in 2025 but our cap situation would be much better in 2026. But Loomis may not be willing to do it.

If we restructure Carr instead, it will make his dead cap in 2026 offseason similar, and we will just face the same decision year after year. Meanwhile Carr is a decent QB who has never won a playoff game, who is like the 40yo Virgin of the NFL playoffs, and we are hoping to sneak into the playoffs with the 40yo Virgin and then have him run the table. Just not a very realistic plan. Better to pick the worst option at QB now for cheap and get a great option later instead of settling for mediocrity forever.

SmashMouth · 12-11-2024, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It would not take a miracle. It would take the willingness to have a very bad season in 2025. Carr could be designate a post-June-1 cut at the start of the league year. That would defer $30mil of the $51mil dead cap hit to 2026 salary cap. Then we could restructure most our other players and make zero additions in free agency of anything more than veteran minimum level. We might go 0-17 or 0-18 in 2025 but our cap situation would be much better in 2026. But Loomis may not be willing to do it.

If we restructure Carr instead, it will make his dead cap in 2026 offseason similar, and we will just face the same decision year after year. Meanwhile Carr is a decent QB who has never won a playoff game, who is like the 40yo Virgin of the NFL playoffs, and we are hoping to sneak into the playoffs with the 40yo Virgin and then have him run the table. Just not a very realistic plan. Better to pick the worst option at QB now for cheap and get a great option later instead of settling for mediocrity forever.

For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it.

UK_WhoDat · 12-11-2024, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it.

Houston!

.

We have a problem

Getting the cap under control would certainly test the mettle of the support. Times have changed since bags on head. Everyone's expectation of their satisfaction level will not tolerate that now.

Rugby Saint II · 12-11-2024, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it.

Just don't extend players who don't have value. We keep extending contracts on players who are past their prime. I am willing to watch a couple years of bad football so we can get back on track and get to playing good football again. Let's get this cap under control and draft well so we can get younger and cheaper.

12-09-2024, 03:45 PM	#1
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Carr - nice guy, fragile QB Best for him and the Saints to part ways ASAP Rugby Saint II, dizzle88, mapcow and 1 others like this.

12-10-2024, 03:27 PM	#2
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,826	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Originally Posted by arsaint Carr - nice guy, fragile QB Best for him and the Saints to part ways ASAP Not unless a miracle happens. His dead cap hit is 51 million next year.
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12-10-2024, 04:34 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,329	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Originally Posted by voodooido Not unless a miracle happens. His dead cap hit is 51 million next year. It would not take a miracle. It would take the willingness to have a very bad season in 2025. Carr could be designate a post-June-1 cut at the start of the league year. That would defer $30mil of the $51mil dead cap hit to 2026 salary cap. Then we could restructure most our other players and make zero additions in free agency of anything more than veteran minimum level. We might go 0-17 or 0-18 in 2025 but our cap situation would be much better in 2026. But Loomis may not be willing to do it. If we restructure Carr instead, it will make his dead cap in 2026 offseason similar, and we will just face the same decision year after year. Meanwhile Carr is a decent QB who has never won a playoff game, who is like the 40yo Virgin of the NFL playoffs, and we are hoping to sneak into the playoffs with the 40yo Virgin and then have him run the table. Just not a very realistic plan. Better to pick the worst option at QB now for cheap and get a great option later instead of settling for mediocrity forever.
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12-11-2024, 08:21 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,514 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Originally Posted by BakoSaint It would not take a miracle. It would take the willingness to have a very bad season in 2025. Carr could be designate a post-June-1 cut at the start of the league year. That would defer $30mil of the $51mil dead cap hit to 2026 salary cap. Then we could restructure most our other players and make zero additions in free agency of anything more than veteran minimum level. We might go 0-17 or 0-18 in 2025 but our cap situation would be much better in 2026. But Loomis may not be willing to do it. If we restructure Carr instead, it will make his dead cap in 2026 offseason similar, and we will just face the same decision year after year. Meanwhile Carr is a decent QB who has never won a playoff game, who is like the 40yo Virgin of the NFL playoffs, and we are hoping to sneak into the playoffs with the 40yo Virgin and then have him run the table. Just not a very realistic plan. Better to pick the worst option at QB now for cheap and get a great option later instead of settling for mediocrity forever. For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-11-2024, 11:19 AM	#5
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Originally Posted by SmashMouth For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it. Houston! . We have a problem Getting the cap under control would certainly test the mettle of the support. Times have changed since bags on head. Everyone's expectation of their satisfaction level will not tolerate that now.

12-11-2024, 01:22 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,125	Re: Derek Carr likely out for rest of season with left hand fracture Originally Posted by SmashMouth For the sake of cleaning up the cap, we can endure a crappy season or two. Houston did it. Just don't extend players who don't have value. We keep extending contracts on players who are past their prime. I am willing to watch a couple years of bad football so we can get back on track and get to playing good football again. Let's get this cap under control and draft well so we can get younger and cheaper.