Your Plan For 2025

12-24-2024, 12:35 PM

As we settle into the realization that revitalizing this franchise will require significant moves, what's your plan for 2025?

2025 Salary Cap: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints

2025 Calendar (estimated)

January/February - East West Shrine Game + Senior Bowl + Franchise Tags

March - Scouting Combine + Free Agency

April - Draft + RFAs must sign offer sheets

Draft Needs

Pending Free Agency and Cuts, we may need A LOT. Personally, I'd like to see the Saints focus on O line, D Line and LB + Saftey/CB

dizzle88 · 12-24-2024, 01:14 PM

Find a new team if Loomis doesn't get fired

I joke, but this team needs absolutely gutting from top to bottom.

Entire Defense, including Demario are awful - old, slow, no fight.

Offense, the O line gets abused every single week. Kubiak is a Carmichael clone apart from 1 or 2 motions every now and again

Players, coaches, front office, it all needs changing.

We are years and years away from being competitive

papz · 12-24-2024, 01:23 PM

We have to start at the root of the problem. We need a front office overhaul. So what if we have more draft picks? So what if we have more cap room? We need to put in people who have a vision of what our franchise will look like 3, 5, 10 years from now. At the bare minimum, someone with just an ounce of foresight.

Halo · 12-24-2024, 02:21 PM

I am extremely disappointed with this team. To start and to address Papz's points, the root of the problem right now sits with Mickey Loomis. There are MORE problems than Loomis, but he's a good example and place to start.

Loomis rose higher in the organization after Mr. Benson passed away and is a small minority owner. He tried to keep the team together after Brees retired after the 2020 season thinking we still had time on our "window" of opportunity for a Superbowl with the assembled team.

Loomis tried to do exactly what brought Brees here, but didn't research well and there were better options available for Quarterback.

Problem was that the Saints window closed about 2020. That ship sailed from 2015 to 2020, and we missed a HUGE opportunity in that 2020-21 playoff season. Thinking we could squeeze more from the ensamble 2021 season to now was merely wishful thinking.

Much of where we are is where Sean Payton wanted to leave the Saints to preserve a "legacy", same for Tom Benson, Loomis, Brees, etc. Problem is, ALL of those people are GONE. The Saints must find themselves or be satisfied with being a shell of who they were, much like the Cowboys, Raiders. Frankly, the Saints had 1 SB and 1 very long and very good run. It's not enough to call a "dynasty" so the Saints need to get their heads out their arses.

Further, Loomis is not very smart. He's somewhat vindictive and can be childish. He has no business talking to media and "fans" and supporters of this team. He gets the org in trouble with cap money and is good at shuffling contracts and players around, sometimes demanding veterans restructure for lower pay. These things work short term, but the Saints should NEVER be that far over the cap to start with.

Loomis also talks down to fans while also saying stupid things like comparing Dennis Allen's career to greats like Tom Landry. Dennis Allen was a very good defensive coordinator but well known as a poor team leader. Merely looking at his coaching record and circumstances of being fired at the Raiders should be enough for seasoned front office people to not want to bet their organization on him as Head Coach.

I could go on and on about what is wrong, but for now, Loomis has got to go. Don't care that he's been here 25 years blah blah blah, he's being paid MILLIONS per year without accountability. He can stay as part owner and continue to blunder the Pelicans.

#1 Loomis must go. #2 Find a GM. #3 Try to salvage the contract and cap dysfunction and make a 3-year plan to escape this salary cap hell and somehow reload....

Sinner · 12-24-2024, 02:36 PM

Provide Therapy for Guido, if he hasn’t taken a one way cruise to Antartica.

neugey · 12-24-2024, 03:39 PM

Mickey either needs to have an epiphany in regards to his approach or humbly retire. If I could be Mickey or the new GM's hypnotherapist for a day, here's the plan I'd try to instill:

1) Perform deep scouting, film eval, interviews and workouts prior to the NFL Draft. Cease using the Senior Bowl, Combine and RAS scores as a crutch.
2) Keep our picks and stand pat. Perhaps trade down for more picks if something ideal pops up. Other fans are sweating not having a top 5 pick, but for me that is a plus as we save a little bit of salary to help us with the salary cap situation. Speaking of ...
3) Cease the contract restructures/extensions, cut some aging talent dead money be damned and take the big hit for the next 1-2 to reset the books. If the Falcons can bite the bullet and plan to release Cousins we can certainly do the same with Carr. Follow the Falcons' lead in being firm and decisive.
4) Whether it's retirement, cut or trade - find an exit ramp for Mathieu, Cam Jordan and Jamaal Williams and other declining veterans.
5) Consider a college coach for the head coaching vacancy. I think Matt Campbell would be an interesting hire. He's maxed out what he can do with the Cyclones and if we don't go after him soon Ohio State or some blue blood might snatch him up.
6) It sounds corny, but we need to change the way the team is marketed and show fans the nostalgia bait is over. No more Brees ceremonies or anything like that, at least for the next few years. For the good of everyone.
7) Scout the UFL hard. Look for a few solid pieces we could add for pennies on the dollar. We could use this as a resource rather than settling for other teams' castoffs who are on their last legs.
8) Fire the entire athletic training/medical staff and get out of the Oschner agreement. We need a 100% new approach in this area. The Michael Thomas career-ending ankle injury was the alarm bell we should have heeded.
9) More gold pants and come up with an alternate helmet design that doesn't blow chunks. We have been treading water in the style/culture department and there's a lot that could be revised here. Denver and Tampa Bay uniform changes (mid-late 90's) showed these things can be a tool to help break the old psychology.
10) Put a lot of focus on our mini-camps so we get a better chance to evaluate the young talent that was injured for most the year. Bub Means, Kendre, among others.

mapcow · 12-24-2024, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I am extremely disappointed with this team. To start and to address Papz's points, the root of the problem right now sits with Mickey Loomis. There are MORE problems than Loomis, but he's a good example and place to start.

Loomis rose higher in the organization after Mr. Benson passed away and is a small minority owner. He tried to keep the team together after Brees retired after the 2020 season thinking we still had time on our "window" of opportunity for a Superbowl with the assembled team.

Loomis tried to do exactly what brought Brees here, but didn't research well and there were better options available for Quarterback.

Problem was that the Saints window closed about 2020. That ship sailed from 2015 to 2020, and we missed a HUGE opportunity in that 2020-21 playoff season. Thinking we could squeeze more from the ensamble 2021 season to now was merely wishful thinking.

Much of where we are is where Sean Payton wanted to leave the Saints to preserve a "legacy", same for Tom Benson, Loomis, Brees, etc. Problem is, ALL of those people are GONE. The Saints must find themselves or be satisfied with being a shell of who they were, much like the Cowboys, Raiders. Frankly, the Saints had 1 SB and 1 very long and very good run. It's not enough to call a "dynasty" so the Saints need to get their heads out their arses.

Further, Loomis is not very smart. He's somewhat vindictive and can be childish. He has no business talking to media and "fans" and supporters of this team. He gets the org in trouble with cap money and is good at shuffling contracts and players around, sometimes demanding veterans restructure for lower pay. These things work short term, but the Saints should NEVER be that far over the cap to start with.

Loomis also talks down to fans while also saying stupid things like comparing Dennis Allen's career to greats like Tom Landry. Dennis Allen was a very good defensive coordinator but well known as a poor team leader. Merely looking at his coaching record and circumstances of being fired at the Raiders should be enough for seasoned front office people to not want to bet their organization on him as Head Coach.

I could go on and on about what is wrong, but for now, Loomis has got to go. Don't care that he's been here 25 years blah blah blah, he's being paid MILLIONS per year without accountability. He can stay as part owner and continue to blunder the Pelicans.

#1 Loomis must go. #2 Find a GM. #3 Try to salvage the contract and cap dysfunction and make a 3-year plan to escape this salary cap hell and somehow reload....

are loomis and guido realated?

Halo · 12-24-2024, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

5) Consider a college coach for the head coaching vacancy. I think Matt Campbell would be an interesting hire. He's maxed out what he can do with the Cyclones and if we don't go after him soon Ohio State or some blue blood might snatch him up.
8) Fire the entire athletic training/medical staff and get out of the Oschner agreement. We need a 100% new approach in this area. The Michael Thomas career-ending ankle injury was the alarm bell we should have heeded.

I think #5 is interesting, and #8 is something less talked about but should be.

keithday123 · 12-24-2024, 10:35 PM

Hire Brian Flores and get that defense back to what it once was.

lee909 · 12-25-2024, 05:12 PM

What I think should happen won't unless someone gets in Gayle Benson ear that she needs to gut the staff starting woth Loomis

It'll take 2 or 3 years to scrub the roster and fix the cap properly where you haven't been pushing money forward and you can have a proper look at free agency

I wouldn't have resigned Kamara because by the 2026/27 season he isn't going to be playing. I'd make everyone that can be traded and is over 29/30 tradable , even if that means you break even in cap savings.

Find younger,faster and most importantly healthy players.

Carr would be gone for me, this isn't a playoff roster and he won't be around when it is added to him being nothing more than a lower mid tier QB.

Try and fix both lines this year
Get a big healthy RB to carry some of tbe load
Get in a young long term coaching team that won't be judged for 2025 but just a gameplay put in place

Expect 2025 to suck hard

No point at looking for quick fixes or patches to make a fill holes next year. Rip the band aid off and suck it up

12-24-2024, 02:21 PM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,759 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Your Plan For 2025 I am extremely disappointed with this team. To start and to address Papz's points, the root of the problem right now sits with Mickey Loomis. There are MORE problems than Loomis, but he's a good example and place to start. Loomis rose higher in the organization after Mr. Benson passed away and is a small minority owner. He tried to keep the team together after Brees retired after the 2020 season thinking we still had time on our "window" of opportunity for a Superbowl with the assembled team. Loomis tried to do exactly what brought Brees here, but didn't research well and there were better options available for Quarterback. Problem was that the Saints window closed about 2020. That ship sailed from 2015 to 2020, and we missed a HUGE opportunity in that 2020-21 playoff season. Thinking we could squeeze more from the ensamble 2021 season to now was merely wishful thinking. Much of where we are is where Sean Payton wanted to leave the Saints to preserve a "legacy", same for Tom Benson, Loomis, Brees, etc. Problem is, ALL of those people are GONE. The Saints must find themselves or be satisfied with being a shell of who they were, much like the Cowboys, Raiders. Frankly, the Saints had 1 SB and 1 very long and very good run. It's not enough to call a "dynasty" so the Saints need to get their heads out their arses. Further, Loomis is not very smart. He's somewhat vindictive and can be childish. He has no business talking to media and "fans" and supporters of this team. He gets the org in trouble with cap money and is good at shuffling contracts and players around, sometimes demanding veterans restructure for lower pay. These things work short term, but the Saints should NEVER be that far over the cap to start with. Loomis also talks down to fans while also saying stupid things like comparing Dennis Allen's career to greats like Tom Landry. Dennis Allen was a very good defensive coordinator but well known as a poor team leader. Merely looking at his coaching record and circumstances of being fired at the Raiders should be enough for seasoned front office people to not want to bet their organization on him as Head Coach. I could go on and on about what is wrong, but for now, Loomis has got to go. Don't care that he's been here 25 years blah blah blah, he's being paid MILLIONS per year without accountability. He can stay as part owner and continue to blunder the Pelicans. #1 Loomis must go. #2 Find a GM. #3 Try to salvage the contract and cap dysfunction and make a 3-year plan to escape this salary cap hell and somehow reload.... neugey, saintsfan1976 and Pete like this.
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12-24-2024, 02:36 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,970	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Provide Therapy for Guido, if he hasn’t taken a one way cruise to Antartica.
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12-24-2024, 03:39 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,726 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Mickey either needs to have an epiphany in regards to his approach or humbly retire. If I could be Mickey or the new GM's hypnotherapist for a day, here's the plan I'd try to instill: 1) Perform deep scouting, film eval, interviews and workouts prior to the NFL Draft. Cease using the Senior Bowl, Combine and RAS scores as a crutch. 2) Keep our picks and stand pat. Perhaps trade down for more picks if something ideal pops up. Other fans are sweating not having a top 5 pick, but for me that is a plus as we save a little bit of salary to help us with the salary cap situation. Speaking of ... 3) Cease the contract restructures/extensions, cut some aging talent dead money be damned and take the big hit for the next 1-2 to reset the books. If the Falcons can bite the bullet and plan to release Cousins we can certainly do the same with Carr. Follow the Falcons' lead in being firm and decisive. 4) Whether it's retirement, cut or trade - find an exit ramp for Mathieu, Cam Jordan and Jamaal Williams and other declining veterans. 5) Consider a college coach for the head coaching vacancy. I think Matt Campbell would be an interesting hire. He's maxed out what he can do with the Cyclones and if we don't go after him soon Ohio State or some blue blood might snatch him up. 6) It sounds corny, but we need to change the way the team is marketed and show fans the nostalgia bait is over. No more Brees ceremonies or anything like that, at least for the next few years. For the good of everyone. 7) Scout the UFL hard. Look for a few solid pieces we could add for pennies on the dollar. We could use this as a resource rather than settling for other teams' castoffs who are on their last legs. 8) Fire the entire athletic training/medical staff and get out of the Oschner agreement. We need a 100% new approach in this area. The Michael Thomas career-ending ankle injury was the alarm bell we should have heeded. 9) More gold pants and come up with an alternate helmet design that doesn't blow chunks. We have been treading water in the style/culture department and there's a lot that could be revised here. Denver and Tampa Bay uniform changes (mid-late 90's) showed these things can be a tool to help break the old psychology. 10) Put a lot of focus on our mini-camps so we get a better chance to evaluate the young talent that was injured for most the year. Bub Means, Kendre, among others. Halo, SmashMouth and OldMaid like this.

12-24-2024, 04:40 PM	#7
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,799	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by Halo I am extremely disappointed with this team. To start and to address Papz's points, the root of the problem right now sits with Mickey Loomis. There are MORE problems than Loomis, but he's a good example and place to start. Loomis rose higher in the organization after Mr. Benson passed away and is a small minority owner. He tried to keep the team together after Brees retired after the 2020 season thinking we still had time on our "window" of opportunity for a Superbowl with the assembled team. Loomis tried to do exactly what brought Brees here, but didn't research well and there were better options available for Quarterback. Problem was that the Saints window closed about 2020. That ship sailed from 2015 to 2020, and we missed a HUGE opportunity in that 2020-21 playoff season. Thinking we could squeeze more from the ensamble 2021 season to now was merely wishful thinking. Much of where we are is where Sean Payton wanted to leave the Saints to preserve a "legacy", same for Tom Benson, Loomis, Brees, etc. Problem is, ALL of those people are GONE. The Saints must find themselves or be satisfied with being a shell of who they were, much like the Cowboys, Raiders. Frankly, the Saints had 1 SB and 1 very long and very good run. It's not enough to call a "dynasty" so the Saints need to get their heads out their arses. Further, Loomis is not very smart. He's somewhat vindictive and can be childish. He has no business talking to media and "fans" and supporters of this team. He gets the org in trouble with cap money and is good at shuffling contracts and players around, sometimes demanding veterans restructure for lower pay. These things work short term, but the Saints should NEVER be that far over the cap to start with. Loomis also talks down to fans while also saying stupid things like comparing Dennis Allen's career to greats like Tom Landry. Dennis Allen was a very good defensive coordinator but well known as a poor team leader. Merely looking at his coaching record and circumstances of being fired at the Raiders should be enough for seasoned front office people to not want to bet their organization on him as Head Coach. I could go on and on about what is wrong, but for now, Loomis has got to go. Don't care that he's been here 25 years blah blah blah, he's being paid MILLIONS per year without accountability. He can stay as part owner and continue to blunder the Pelicans. #1 Loomis must go. #2 Find a GM. #3 Try to salvage the contract and cap dysfunction and make a 3-year plan to escape this salary cap hell and somehow reload.... are loomis and guido realated?
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12-24-2024, 10:35 PM	#9
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 189	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Hire Brian Flores and get that defense back to what it once was.
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12-24-2024, 12:35 PM	#1
Threaded by saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,850 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) As we settle into the realization that revitalizing this franchise will require significant moves, what's your plan for 2025? 2025 Salary Cap: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints 2025 Calendar (estimated) January/February - East West Shrine Game + Senior Bowl + Franchise Tags March - Scouting Combine + Free Agency April - Draft + RFAs must sign offer sheets Draft Needs Pending Free Agency and Cuts, we may need A LOT. Personally, I'd like to see the Saints focus on O line, D Line and LB + Saftey/CB
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12-24-2024, 01:14 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,360	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Find a new team if Loomis doesn't get fired I joke, but this team needs absolutely gutting from top to bottom. Entire Defense, including Demario are awful - old, slow, no fight. Offense, the O line gets abused every single week. Kubiak is a Carmichael clone apart from 1 or 2 motions every now and again Players, coaches, front office, it all needs changing. We are years and years away from being competitive

12-24-2024, 01:23 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,756	Re: Your Plan For 2025 We have to start at the root of the problem. We need a front office overhaul. So what if we have more draft picks? So what if we have more cap room? We need to put in people who have a vision of what our franchise will look like 3, 5, 10 years from now. At the bare minimum, someone with just an ounce of foresight. Halo, neugey, saintsfan1976 and 3 others like this.

12-24-2024, 08:39 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,759 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by neugey 5) Consider a college coach for the head coaching vacancy. I think Matt Campbell would be an interesting hire. He's maxed out what he can do with the Cyclones and if we don't go after him soon Ohio State or some blue blood might snatch him up. 8) Fire the entire athletic training/medical staff and get out of the Oschner agreement. We need a 100% new approach in this area. The Michael Thomas career-ending ankle injury was the alarm bell we should have heeded. I think #5 is interesting, and #8 is something less talked about but should be. neugey likes this.

12-25-2024, 05:12 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,831 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Your Plan For 2025 What I think should happen won't unless someone gets in Gayle Benson ear that she needs to gut the staff starting woth Loomis It'll take 2 or 3 years to scrub the roster and fix the cap properly where you haven't been pushing money forward and you can have a proper look at free agency I wouldn't have resigned Kamara because by the 2026/27 season he isn't going to be playing. I'd make everyone that can be traded and is over 29/30 tradable , even if that means you break even in cap savings. Find younger,faster and most importantly healthy players. Carr would be gone for me, this isn't a playoff roster and he won't be around when it is added to him being nothing more than a lower mid tier QB. Try and fix both lines this year Get a big healthy RB to carry some of tbe load Get in a young long term coaching team that won't be judged for 2025 but just a gameplay put in place Expect 2025 to suck hard No point at looking for quick fixes or patches to make a fill holes next year. Rip the band aid off and suck it up
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