Your Plan For 2025

12-29-2024, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

I don't really have any answers past some of the great comments posted here.

I do know one thing for 110% certain - we're not a few tweaks or a slight adjustment from a winner. We need wholesale change.

We need a hardarse coach/GM who is about winning. We need young blood on the team that is looking to make a name, not vets playing out the back end of bloated contracts.

Oldtimers like me know we had a culture of losing before Drew Brees.

Now we have a culture of mediocrity. That needs to end.

We need this team to at least look like it wants to win again. Right now it just looks happy the paychecks aren't bouncing.

Oldtimers like me know we had a culture of losing before Drew Brees.

Ah! the "Mecom" era, or should that be ERROR. The QB'S: Karl Sweetan, Jim Ninoski, Bob Davis, Ronnie Lee South, Ed Hargett, Steve Ramsey to name a few. The David Drive training facility was two blocks from my house. I watched practice from the top of a dumpster! I didn't realize how symbolic that would be! It took an owner change to accomplish a "Culture" change. The organization Tom Benson put together Hit on more coaches than they missed. Mike Ditka was a HUGE SWING AND MISS . What happens going forward will be interesting to watch. I wonder how many times Payton has called Bo, Drew?

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Beck has potential too, he's just looked bad at times because he's been let down by his receivers.
'

Well just think how badly the Saints WR and DL can let him down

neugey · 12-29-2024, 04:34 PM

I think it can be argued that we are in the worst possible position of any team going into this offseason.

- The Browns and Jets are also a royal mess, but also have young top-tier defensive pieces (Garrett and Sauce) to work with or trade for a great haul.

- The Titans, Pats and Panthers don't have much to work with, but aren't in cap heck like we are, not even close.

- The Raiders (Bowers, Meyers) and Giants (Nabers) have foundational offensive pieces to build around. Same with the Bears ... I think at least one of Williams and Odunze will pan out very well.

We've managed to architect a colossal mess. Any options toward a non-violent coup of Loomis need to be pursued.

Sinner · 12-29-2024, 05:09 PM

Been saying this for four years now. Our problem is with the old lady, who intends to take our Saints with her to the grave.

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Been saying this for four years now. Our problem is with the old lady, who intends to take our Saints with her to the grave.

This

I have been looking at the roster in 2025/26 to see when they might actually get some relief and breathing room, 2026 on paper looks like the year but Loomis mess has left a roster that on paper has 39 players but in reality it has 25 because 14 of them players have void years. So yes there is at least 52ml in cap space but you have half a roster and that 52ml will drop even more when Loomis is forced to add more void years or add years to players deals. You can cut Carr and add 30ml more to the cap but that if Loomis doesn't tinker with it in 2025 which he likely will

Benson being utterly clueless about football and Loomis essentially being his own boss and GM has completely screwed up any oversight of the team.

There isn't a team in the league with less talent in the skill positions
The only top talent they have in them is 1 concussion away from seriously having to think about walking away for his own good, though getting rid of a QB that seems to walk him into a number of them

Sinner · 12-29-2024, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

This

I have been looking at the roster in 2025/26 to see when they might actually get some relief and breathing room, 2026 on paper looks like the year but Loomis mess has left a roster that on paper has 39 players but in reality it has 25 because 14 of them players have void years. So yes there is at least 52ml in cap space but you have half a roster and that 52ml will drop even more when Loomis is forced to add more void years or add years to players deals. You can cut Carr and add 30ml more to the cap but that if Loomis doesn't tinker with it in 2025 which he likely will

Benson being utterly clueless about football and Loomis essentially being his own boss and GM has completely screwed up any oversight of the team.

There isn't a team in the league with less talent in the skill positions
The only top talent they have in them is 1 concussion away from seriously having to think about walking away for his own good, though getting rid of a QB that seems to walk him into a number of them

COLD HARD TRUTH. ^^^

K Major · 12-30-2024, 12:13 AM

You fire EVERYONE in the offseason. Start playing as many young guys as possible in 2025. If you win 6 games next season, so be it. Land top quality draft picks. Get a franchise QB in 2026.

Clean up the cap as much as you can so you can afford better DEPTH.

This franchise has been bad (4-19 vs winning team last 3 years) for a while.

A hard reset & drafting well (Day 1 starters) is the only way out of this mess.

But again, Saints are in this mess because of Mickey Loomis.

FinSaint · 12-30-2024, 08:53 AM

Give Rizzi the HC job, shed as much cap as possible, continue coaching up the young guys while moving out older players, tank next season for the #1 pick on Arc Manning in the 2026 draft, and get a new GM and HC to usher in the dynasty.

Easy.

papz · 12-30-2024, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

You fire EVERYONE in the offseason. Start playing as many young guys as possible in 2025. If you win 6 games next season, so be it. Land top quality draft picks. Get a franchise QB in 2026.

I'm good with half those amount of wins.

12-29-2024, 01:23 PM	#21
Threaded by vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,536 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by arsaint I don't really have any answers past some of the great comments posted here. I do know one thing for 110% certain - we're not a few tweaks or a slight adjustment from a winner. We need wholesale change. We need a hardarse coach/GM who is about winning. We need young blood on the team that is looking to make a name, not vets playing out the back end of bloated contracts. Oldtimers like me know we had a culture of losing before Drew Brees. Now we have a culture of mediocrity. That needs to end. We need this team to at least look like it wants to win again. Right now it just looks happy the paychecks aren't bouncing. Oldtimers like me know we had a culture of losing before Drew Brees. Ah! the "Mecom" era, or should that be ERROR. The QB'S: Karl Sweetan, Jim Ninoski, Bob Davis, Ronnie Lee South, Ed Hargett, Steve Ramsey to name a few. The David Drive training facility was two blocks from my house. I watched practice from the top of a dumpster! I didn't realize how symbolic that would be! It took an owner change to accomplish a "Culture" change. The organization Tom Benson put together Hit on more coaches than they missed. Mike Ditka was a HUGE SWING AND MISS . What happens going forward will be interesting to watch. I wonder how many times Payton has called Bo, Drew? Halo and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-29-2024, 04:03 PM	#22
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by hitta I think Beck has potential too, he's just looked bad at times because he's been let down by his receivers. ' Well just think how badly the Saints WR and DL can let him down

12-29-2024, 04:34 PM	#23
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,785 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Your Plan For 2025 I think it can be argued that we are in the worst possible position of any team going into this offseason. - The Browns and Jets are also a royal mess, but also have young top-tier defensive pieces (Garrett and Sauce) to work with or trade for a great haul. - The Titans, Pats and Panthers don't have much to work with, but aren't in cap heck like we are, not even close. - The Raiders (Bowers, Meyers) and Giants (Nabers) have foundational offensive pieces to build around. Same with the Bears ... I think at least one of Williams and Odunze will pan out very well. We've managed to architect a colossal mess. Any options toward a non-violent coup of Loomis need to be pursued. Sinner likes this.

12-29-2024, 05:09 PM	#24
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,013	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Been saying this for four years now. Our problem is with the old lady, who intends to take our Saints with her to the grave.
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12-29-2024, 06:57 PM	#25
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,854 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by Sinner Been saying this for four years now. Our problem is with the old lady, who intends to take our Saints with her to the grave. This I have been looking at the roster in 2025/26 to see when they might actually get some relief and breathing room, 2026 on paper looks like the year but Loomis mess has left a roster that on paper has 39 players but in reality it has 25 because 14 of them players have void years. So yes there is at least 52ml in cap space but you have half a roster and that 52ml will drop even more when Loomis is forced to add more void years or add years to players deals. You can cut Carr and add 30ml more to the cap but that if Loomis doesn't tinker with it in 2025 which he likely will Benson being utterly clueless about football and Loomis essentially being his own boss and GM has completely screwed up any oversight of the team. There isn't a team in the league with less talent in the skill positions The only top talent they have in them is 1 concussion away from seriously having to think about walking away for his own good, though getting rid of a QB that seems to walk him into a number of them neugey, Sinner, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.
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12-29-2024, 07:17 PM	#26
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,013	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by lee909 This I have been looking at the roster in 2025/26 to see when they might actually get some relief and breathing room, 2026 on paper looks like the year but Loomis mess has left a roster that on paper has 39 players but in reality it has 25 because 14 of them players have void years. So yes there is at least 52ml in cap space but you have half a roster and that 52ml will drop even more when Loomis is forced to add more void years or add years to players deals. You can cut Carr and add 30ml more to the cap but that if Loomis doesn't tinker with it in 2025 which he likely will Benson being utterly clueless about football and Loomis essentially being his own boss and GM has completely screwed up any oversight of the team. There isn't a team in the league with less talent in the skill positions The only top talent they have in them is 1 concussion away from seriously having to think about walking away for his own good, though getting rid of a QB that seems to walk him into a number of them COLD HARD TRUTH. ^^^
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12-30-2024, 12:13 AM	#27
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,692 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Your Plan For 2025 You fire EVERYONE in the offseason. Start playing as many young guys as possible in 2025. If you win 6 games next season, so be it. Land top quality draft picks. Get a franchise QB in 2026. Clean up the cap as much as you can so you can afford better DEPTH. This franchise has been bad (4-19 vs winning team last 3 years) for a while. A hard reset & drafting well (Day 1 starters) is the only way out of this mess. But again, Saints are in this mess because of Mickey Loomis. dizzle88, Sinner and lee909 like this.

12-30-2024, 08:53 AM	#28
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Give Rizzi the HC job, shed as much cap as possible, continue coaching up the young guys while moving out older players, tank next season for the #1 pick on Arc Manning in the 2026 draft, and get a new GM and HC to usher in the dynasty. Easy.

12-30-2024, 09:40 AM	#29
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,762	Re: Your Plan For 2025 Originally Posted by K Major You fire EVERYONE in the offseason. Start playing as many young guys as possible in 2025. If you win 6 games next season, so be it. Land top quality draft picks. Get a franchise QB in 2026. I'm good with half those amount of wins. K Major likes this.