Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

I don't see Fields as that guy. He's similar to Rattler, in my opinion.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

Rattler, Fields, Cooper Rush … whatever.

It’s time to start laying the rebuild foundation and get Kellen's culture established.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

Cooper Rush Tanner McKee Kenny Pickett / an individual that Moore has first hand experience with. IMHO if that does not come to pass Carr will be back in B&G in 2025. I can’t see Moore staking his coaching debut on Rattler just saying. I know the dump Carr at all cost view is widely held but with the tape on Rattler I just don’t see him as option 1.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

Ultimately I think Carr gets restructured, the money get spread over 5 years and he's the starter on a short leash. Bye bye in 2026.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

But have you seen the dead money number in 2026 if we do that? We’ll be saying the same thing in 2026,2027, and so on until we have a 40yo playoff virgin with $150 million dead but a bargain $90 million to keep and restructure.

Basically dead money to cut Carr in 2026 if he is restructured is $60 million. There is also always risk that if Carr was seriously injured late in the season he could fail to pass a physical and be unable to be cut, adding another $50 million for a hurt QB in 2026.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

Hence why in all likelihood, he'll be traded (with his approval of course with the no trade clause) to a team willing to take on some of the cap. There'll be some sort of June 1 cap implication. I guess we'll all see.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

I don’t see any team that will trade for Carr for the same reason the Saints didn’t trade for him a couple of seasons ago.

Any interested team will just wait for him to get cut.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

He was in the same position with the Raiders and didn't approve talk of a trade and had to be released. I serious doubt he'd change his stance now.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

Just saw this after I posted. That is definitely a factor, as well. Either retained or cut. A trade doesn't make sense for two of the three parties involved.

Re: Spencer Rattler vs Derek Carr - The Facts
 

This is a fine article, very similar to what I wrote:

https://www.firemickeyloomis.com/202...nts-salary-cap

But I think the Saintswire article may be missing a few details.

This is an extremely esoteric cap rule and I could be wrong but I believe that if we designate Carr a post-June-1 cut and he signs with another team for say $25 million a year on the third day of free agency, since his $10 million guaranteed roster bonus with the saints is subject to offset, the Saints may receive that $10 million cap credit the second he signs with another team. I can't find the exact rules anywhere on how the combination of a post-june-1 cut designation and offset language interact. Most of the articles I read say that for a post-june-1-cut designation the team still has to carry the players salary to june 1, but for offset language they say that the teams salary cap is credited when the player signs elsewhere, so which is it? This would matter a lot as it could give the Saints an extra $10 million for the second half of free agency if Carr lands on his feet.

I think it is very unlikely that Carr will be traded because I don't think another team would want to pay his current contract and I think the Saints are better off using the Post-June-1 designation. I think Carr would waive his no trade clause in a second to keep his current contract, but the reality is that in a market where Carr, Rodgers, Wilson, Cousins, and Stafford are all likely available, nobody is paying Carr $40 million in free agency.

There are a lot of small restructures that help the Saints get under the cap. Any other veteran agreeing to take a pay cut is also a wildcard, and that did happen last year with a couple.

Restructuring Demario Davis and Tyrann Mathieu is not ideal, but both took true pay cuts last offseason which Carr has refused to do. And their tape looked better than his when they took pay cuts. Combined restructures of Davis and Mathieu only kick the can on a total of $10 million and that can all be paid out of the extra $30-50mil cap we will get June 1 when the designations fully vest, if we just roll over $10 mil of that money. I think Mathieu and Davis, having contributed to signficant playoff wins early in their career, are better role models for a rebuilding team than Carr. It is also possible that one could elect to retire, cutting their salary to $1 million, then retiring June 1. This would save more. Same goes for Taysom Hill or Cam Jordan.