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Y’all can start gettin mad at me right now, that’s fine.

If you still believe that this Raider Curbside Tra$h has improved with age, I don’t know what to tell you.

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If that prediction comes true, best of luck to him and the Jets. I am ready for a rebuilding year. Expectations at 0.

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There are four names Mickey Loomis can't quit: Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, Jose Cuervo, and Derek Carr. Its a shame that he has no friends in the Saints organization with the courage to cut him off for his own good.

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Well he will be injured by week 3, start Rattler, be average again, maybe win 6 or 7 games, and we can look forward to 2026. Sad part is I figured this would happen. I'm just hoping this is the final year and Moore can get his QB in 2026 and we can start the true rebuild.

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It's strictly a financial decision. Bad contract. Left us with little options other than sticking with him for 2025 (min).

We're now in the Year 1 Sean Payton + Russell Wilson saga.

It is what it is. I just hate hearing Mickey lie to our faces about DC. "We believe we have the blah blah gum-smacking blah blah to win..."

I've admitted I don't like Carr. He's not a player I can get behind. Maybe he has a great season and earns his money. That's fine, but I still yearn for the long term answer and for Kellen to choose his guy.

Nothing is stopping the team from drafting a QB they believe in this year or next.

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If they stick with him, I hope he turns it around and Saints win the superbowl next season.

A more likely scenario is he stinks, Kellen Moore gets fed up, and Rattler takes over. Is that better? I don't know.

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Contract numbers aside, I still don't get the negativity that Carr "stinks" or that he's sure to get injured. Coming into last season he started 159 out of 163 possible starts. Last season's 10 games was the only time he started less than 15 in his career. As for stinking, he had a 3 to 1 TD to interception percentage which is always respectable. His passer rating and completion percentage were both top ten and his sack percentage was the best in the league. All of this with what many here would argue was one of the worst offensive lines in the entire league while missing key pieces at other important offensive positions (see Olave and Shaheed).

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At least you’re honest when you say, you still don’t get it.

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That makes one of us.

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But you can't put the contract numbers aside. He's insanely over paid. His career 169 starts include just one playoff game—and no wins. His 14-13 record over the last two years (77-92 overall) and zero postseason success scream mediocrity, not the clutch gene of a top QB.

Contract aside, the $40 million cap hit in 2025 is an albatross on the team's neck. Yes, the line and injuries hurt, but a $37.5 million-a-year QB should overcome that, not just survive. Carr’s not stinking by raw stats alone, but he’s not leading us to glory either—he shrivels when it counts, and his paycheck demands more. We need a QB who can win big games and inspire, not just pad stats behind a broken line.

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My excitement for this upcoming season dissipated with this announcement.

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No. Carr isn't a QB that can take a poor team on his shoulders and take them to consistent wins. There's only a handful of those in the league today. His contract puts him in the middle of the pack in current contracts. With the Raiders he never had a defense that ranked above the bottom four in the league. With the Saints he's had nothing but what could be considered one of the worst offensive lines in the league and historic rashes of injuries across the spectrum.

And, yes, I'd love to have one of those handful of elite QB's. And a great offensive line. And a team full of healthy players. But we don't now. Regardless of what Carr is getting paid right now I believe he's the best we have available. And I can see why Kellen Moore thinks the same. Moore doesn't care about contracts or how much a player is getting paid. All he wants to do is put the best players available currently on the field now. That's his job as a head coach.

I am all for drafting another QB and hoping he can be a better option sooner than later. Neither Haener or Rattler have shown any signs of being that answer yet.

Are there better QB's out there? Yes, but not available, that's for sure.

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My excitement level for THIS season is tempered by what I see available beyond Carr as a best option for success in 2025.

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Definitely. You are honestly the only one of us on here that JUST DON’T GET IT.

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Oh, I get it. I just know it is what it is and I make the best of it, as I do everything. It's all in how you choose to look at things. If somehow another Drew Brees or Tom Brady walked onto the scene I'd be volunteering to help load Carr's moving van, but that's not happening.

I want exactly what Kellen Moore wants, to put the best viable option out on the field today and that is Carr given what we currently have on our roster today. I would dance with joy if we were to draft a QB that turns out to be starter quality and could take over in 2026.

What you are wanting and *****ing about is something that is not available. It's you that does not get that.

:bng:

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I get that Carr is the best option as of now, but I was excited that we could just start fresh, even if it is a younger, inexperienced qb at the helm. Clear the negative cap space and start with a young team. Build though the draft and add in experienced veterans where needed with the cap space while also retaining promising young players. I don’t think that’s a bad route to go. I was just hopeful with a new young coaching staff it would come with a young team with cleared cap space and that was exciting to me, and I’m sure many other fans

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Carr is only the QB due to his burdensome contract.

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I know. I just want it gone.
It’s not like we’re in contention, just cut bait and start fresh. We still haven’t seen the full potential of Ratter with a good o line and healthy receivers.

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Well I do like that Kellen has publicly stated they want to contend for the division. And kudos to Mickey for at least saying his goal is to win now.

Frankly, if when they restructure Carr, they'll have money to work with in FA so it could work. We'd be right back here next year but 10 wins is conceivable.

My offseason targets would be

Free Agents:
Becton for LG
Bolton LB from Chiefs

Draft:
Trade back from #9 to around 12 for another pick in the top 40

TE Tyler Warren
DE Walter Nolen
S Xavier Watts

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I wish I could take every division championship banner we have, eat only at mexican food buffets for a week, go on antibiotics, use the banners as toilet paper, and then burn them. Winning a weak division is a weak goal. We are competing in a beauty contest open only to garbage collectors and bragging about how 2 years ago we got 2nd place.

I don't care if there are only 5-10 QBs in the league that are way better than Carr. There are many QBs in the league who are young enough to become way better. Carr had peaked and is starting to break down. The play he double-injured himself on against the Giants was the lowest IQ play in the league last year. Rattler may be high risk but he has a higher ceiling. A 2026 draft pick like Manning or Nussmeir would have a higher ceiling. A young QB who never quite reaches Carr's peak, but gets close while making only $2 million a year, would give our team a higher ceiling.

I don't want to win the NFC South and get embaressed in the playoffs. Been there done that. I would refuse any division championship banner representing single digit wins, because it would be celebrating mediocrity. We need a culture of excellence. Derek Carr is not excellent. He isn't a leader. He is Matt Ryan 2.0. Derek Carr is karma's curse on our fanbase for reveling in the suffering of all Falcons fans during the Matt Ryan era.

Finally Atlanta tired of Matt Ryan. They did not have a better option in place but they moved on anyway. Turns out that Ryan did not exactly win rings when he left. Now they have options at least, though I think Penix will get hurt. Why do we have to relive the Matt Ryan era with Derek Carr. The only smart thing the Falcons ever did was get rid of Matt Ryan, and we need to move on from his clone.

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Gonna be (another) lonnnnnng season. See you here! 😉⚜️😜

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Honestly, there is a long time between here and the beginning of the season. So much is going to change with the draft and free agency.

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With Carr still at the helm, there will be pain.

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Well I’m glad Kellen has that spirit about him…that’s what you want in a head coach,Mickey on the other hand seems like he’s always in win now mode. Maybe some are ok with constantly restructuring contracts, but at some point enough is enough. At some point you got to clear things and reset. That’s my perspective on what philosophy we should go with..it’s not like it doesn’t work.

I like the idea of trading back in the draft, but I hope we don’t select a TE with our first pick. Those lines, especially on the defensive side of the ball and linebackers need to be hit hard, and I’d like to see it go through the next few drafts. There’s a time when you can afford to select a luxury position high up, but right now isn’t it imo. Even if Jeanty fell to us, as much as I’d absolutely hate to pass on him, I feel we have more important issues to address.
I do like your other choices though

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That's why Free Agency trumps the draft until the draft comes.

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Can you imagine if we had the money to afford a few top tier free agents?
Would make the draft much more fun

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Are you going to do this on repeat again all year?

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It's all the sinner guy knows.

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Once Carr's contract is restructured there could be enough money to attract the right FAs. Loomis stated publicly they'd be more active in FA this season. But you can never take what he says to be true so who knows what he actually means by "active".

Bottom line, the right players are more important than number of players.

Like I said before Mekhi Becton at LG would solidify the line. That's our biggest expense but worth it - ask Kellen...

Noah Brown (worked with Moore in Dallas) 35 receptions, 453 yards, 86.4 passer rating when targeted, offers dependable hands and depth at a bargain price. He’s worked with Moore in Dallas (2018-2022), ensuring scheme familiarity. At 29, he’s a low-risk, high-reward No. 3 receiver behind Olave and Shaheed.

Dalton Risner could be a budget move...a 29-year-old guard from the Vikings, excels as a run-blocker and offers solid pass protection (66.7 PFF grade in 2024). Moore’s offense leans on a strong interior line to protect Carr and open lanes for Alvin Kamara. Risner’s durability (15+ starts in four of six seasons) addresses the left guard hole.

Alim McNeill a 24-year-old Lions standout, is a rising star on the interior (5 sacks, 33 tackles in 2024). Staley’s 3-4 scheme thrived with Aaron Donald in 2020; McNeill’s disruptiveness (80.2 PFF run defense grade) can anchor the Saints’ front, plugging their run defense woes alongside Bryan Bresee.

Ernest Jones, a 25-year-old former Ram traded to the Titans then Seahawks in 2024, is a tackling machine (138 tackles across two teams in 2024) with improving coverage chops (80.3 PFF grade). Staley coached him in LA (2021-2023), making him a plug-and-play fit for the Saints’ 3-4. His run-stopping (46 stops) would pair with McNeill’s interior presence to fix the Saints’ 31st-ranked rush defense, while his youth signals a post-Davis future.

Nick Bolton, (my favorite) a 24-year-old Chiefs star (106 tackles, 3 sacks, 11 TFLs in 2024), is the full package—aggressive downhill against the run (83.2 PFF run defense grade) and adequate in coverage (89.4 passer rating allowed). He’s been a three-year starter on a dynasty defense, logging 40 postseason tackles in 2024 alone. For Staley, Bolton’s a dream: a tone-setter akin to Fred Warner, capable of masking secondary weaknesses and leading the Saints’ front seven. He’d transform their defense alongside McNeill.

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I like your ideas 76. The only thing I’m concerned about in your post is Carr’s restructure. Most of us agree that he’s probably going to be cut after this season (or should be). I’d like to see a restructure that won’t tie our hands financially for years to come after he’s been cut next year. To me, more money available this season at the cost of being obligated monetarily next season and beyond isn’t worth it. Idk if it can be done or not.

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The money's going to be on our books one way or the other. With the cap exploding every year they way it is that same money takes up a smaller percentage of the total cap in future years.

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After the restructure, the dead cap to cut Carr in the 2026 offseason will be $51 million. Then the narrative will be that we cannot cut Carr in 2026 because the dead cap hit is too high and 2027 will be our out. So instead we will come up with an extension to magically geniusly get us under the 2026 cap, that will make the dead cap hit to cut Carr in 2027 at least $60 million. This was Mickey Loomis's plan all along. He likes that streak of mascara where he buckles his belt.

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I just don’t like or want that. That’s like maxing out a high interest credit card to pay off your mortgage over several years when you have the money to do it now. Then using the excuse that your credit limit will PROBABLY go up next year. This all so you can avoid having to buckle down and take care of it because you want to buy some things that you don’t need right now. It’s stupid and irresponsible.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is why our cap is in the mess it is. I get that he needs to play under his contract this year. But I’d prefer we do it and get rid of him next year and eat the dead money. Not kick it down the road and pay for it for years when he’s not on the team. I’d rather the team use that money for someone that will help the team and actually be on the roster.

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I appreciate your thorough explanation and thought 76. I understand we can always get under the cap to make things happen in free agency to an extent, and we can build a decent roster that way, but it always seems like our teams are thin.
Also by continuing to keep restructuring contracts it keeps us constantly in the hole and keeps us with players longer than we should. If we were succeeding with this formula I’d be fine, but we’re not. Our 5-12 record shows that.
I really just want a young competitive team with good depth and it seems like this is not the proper way to go about it. I haven’t seen anything indicative of that.

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Are THE SAINTS going to “do this on repeat AGAIN” another year? There’s your answer.

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This is obviously a rebuild year for the Saints so it will be tough to watch. Spending the whole time mewling the same broken record BS makes no difference to the organization and many of us are beyond tired of the same "there will be pain" posts ad nauseam.

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You’re tired? Then why even jump onto my thread?
Start your own “Kumbaya” thread and enjoy yet another “rebuild” year with the same old (1 year older and richer) Raider Curbside Trash at the helm.

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I actually blocked him and unblocked Guido. Lol.

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"worth it" sailed out of port a long time ago... For some context here's a list of players on our books in 2025. My only point is that this may be more common than you think.

Name Cap Number
Marshon Lattimore $31,661,837
Michael Thomas $9,187,177
Jameis Winston $7,361,000
TOTAL $48,432,346