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keithday123 03-29-2025 09:41 AM

Derek Carr
 
Guys I have been kinda out of the mix for the last month. Was wondering what the situation with Carr is. I know his contract was restructured but I haven’t heard nor seen this guy make any comment since Moore was hired. Is some of the speculation true that he could still be moved prior to draft or season? Are reports of a trade for Milton accurate? What is our best option at QB in the draft? I’ve seen some analysts claim that the Saints are looking at Ewers which is a nightmare if you ask me. Guy has nothing more than an accurate short route pass. Can’t go deep and has nothing emotion on the field. I would pass. Just wanted to know if you guys had any insight into anything

WillSaints81 03-29-2025 11:07 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

Sinner 03-29-2025 11:45 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Please just make it (him) go away…

AsylumGuido 03-29-2025 12:27 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 1008664)
Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

Carr's restructure was simply a conversion of base salary to signing bonus paid now and accounted for mostly later. Virtually all contracts these days have the stipulation that the club can do this without any subsequent "permission" required from the player. It actually works out to the advantage of the player. They get the same money up front.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-29-2025 03:35 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 1008664)
Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans.

The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts.

BTW welcome back.

SFIAH

iceshack149 03-29-2025 05:59 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports
Quote:

The New Orleans Saints restructured Derek Carr's contract this offseason, all but ensuring the quarterback will remain with the team through the 2025 season. That doesn't mean all is well between the two sides. Carr sought a trade before reworking his deal, according to NewOrleans.Football, and his relationship with the Saints remains "tenuous at best" as the club scouts potential quarterbacks of the future.
We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12

AsylumGuido 03-29-2025 06:28 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 1008669)
Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports

We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12

I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch.

iceshack149 03-29-2025 08:22 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008670)
I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch.

https://i.imgflip.com/2uz36q.jpg
NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

Sinner 03-29-2025 08:42 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 1008671)
https://i.imgflip.com/2uz36q.jpg
NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

He was deteriorated on the Raiders bench. We paid big bucks to inherit the stench.

BakoSaint 03-29-2025 08:50 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 1008668)
Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans.

The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts.

BTW welcome back.

SFIAH

It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027.

spkb25 03-30-2025 05:21 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 1008671)
https://i.imgflip.com/2uz36q.jpg
NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

Anyone with a half ounce of intellect should recognize if he stays it is due to his contract. If the Saints could unload him they would, even if they had to eat part of his contract.

SmashMouth 03-30-2025 06:20 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1008673)
It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027.

More than likely the latter is true. Gotta swallow the tough paper until we don't have to. It's a shame, really. It's not as if there weren't opportunities to move on from him this year.

BakoSaint 04-26-2025 10:46 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1008673)
It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027.

Its starting to look like my tin foil hat theory was actually right.

SmashMouth 04-26-2025 12:26 PM

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AsylumGuido 04-28-2025 08:39 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 

papz 04-28-2025 09:12 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Feels like a weird place to update your injury status.

saintsfan1976 04-28-2025 09:29 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
I don't want him back in Louisiana.

AsylumGuido 04-28-2025 09:37 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 1009547)
Feels like a weird place to update your injury status.

I believe it was more context being given to his message rather than an injury update. He's right, however, about the impact social media is having on the world today.

SmashMouth 04-28-2025 11:29 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 1009547)
Feels like a weird place to update your injury status.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 1009548)
I don't want him back in Louisiana.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009549)
I believe it was more context being given to his message rather than an injury update. He's right, however, about the impact social media is having on the world today.

Yet he's using social media for his new YT channel.

He could have done so many other things to handle this problem more appropriately, yet he didn't. When he moved himself and his entire family to Fresno in December literally at season's end, he knew exactly what he was doing. It's an utter embarrassment he was not even involved in the NOLA Superbowl events. Jaboo was, as was Brees, and many other Saints. For someone whom portended to be a possible preacher before taking the $ in the NFL, a man of God if you will, he sure is not comporting himself as such. He is as disingenuous as he appears to be, sadly.

K Major 04-28-2025 12:19 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Interesting.

This entire Carr thing has gone off the tracks. Just cut him on June 1st.

Saints front office needs to take the loss & move on. It’s time.

BakoSaint 04-28-2025 02:01 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
If Derek Carr wants fans to like him, he should not expect a $40 million payday after a 5-12 record and a season ended by a bonehead play. If Derek Carr wants fans to like him, he should be honest and upfront about his injuries and not hype himself up while saving disappointment for his few remaining fans who defended him. I understand he's a businessman and he got his bag or whatever, but business decisions don't win popularity contests and a businessman accepts that. If all that matters to him is whats in the bible not social media, why is he reviewing a Rolls Royce on social media? Everything that can be said about it is already in the bible, and it says to to spend that money helping people not on ridiculous cars and eye liner. This waah waah social media is bad crap is all fine and good for someone who is out reading to blind children or whatever, but Carr is on Youtube reviewing Rolls Royces he bought with dollars exracted directly from fans disappointment for his lousy performances and lack of leadership. There is no part of the bible that says get your bag, give back nothing, and always ask for more. Derek Carr doesn't believe one word in the bible, he just thinks he is equivalent to the main character.

I hope we hold Carr on the roster until late August 2026 with no further pay except his vet minimum salary, never let him even see the practice field, then cut him when no other team needs a QB.

Rugby Saint II 04-28-2025 03:58 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
At least we aren't paying Deshaun Watson!:p

neugey 04-28-2025 05:57 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Forsakes his team and then chastises us from the pulpit. This guy is a trip.

100% time to move forward with Messrs. Shough and Rattler.

saintsfan1976 04-28-2025 06:18 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009549)
I believe it was more context being given to his message rather than an injury update. He's right, however, about the impact social media is having on the world today.

This was strategic move to manage public perception.

He's not "providing context", he's attempting to control the message.

And he's doing it in front of a cross to enhance his appeal.

Total. Fraud.

Stop defending a narcissist.

AsylumGuido 04-29-2025 08:45 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 

Derek Carr shares heartbreaking news of his wife’s miscarriage and calls out the media over injury reports

In a heartbreaking revelation, New Orleans Saints quarterback Derek Carr opened up about a deeply personal tragedy. While preparing for a doctor’s visit regarding his own shoulder injury, Carr had to rush his wife, Heather, to the emergency room after she suffered a miscarriage. The Carr family, already blessed with four children, now mourns the loss of a fifth.

Derek Carr’s heart-wrenching revelation has left many in the NFL community and beyond reeling with emotion. The Saints quarterback, in a raw moment of vulnerability, shared that while he had been scheduled to see a doctor for his own shoulder injury, the plans quickly changed. His wife, Heather, suffered a miscarriage, and they had to rush to the hospital immediately. This deeply personal revelation came with an emotional statement from Carr, who shared, "We don't just have four babies, we have five. One is in heaven. We'll get to meet the other one when we get to heaven." His openness about the situation has struck an emotional chord with many, especially given the intensity of the moment.

Since news of Derek Carr’s injury broke, he had not publicly addressed the situation until Sunday, April 27, when he spoke at a church service for Church LV.

“I really hate that I have to bring this up, but I feel like I need to,” Carr told the congregation. “Yes, I have a shoulder injury, regardless of what ESPN or some lady on a podcast may think. I have the MRI to back it up. The team is fully aware, and we’ve been in constant communication. Everything’s fine, we’re working through it, and we’ll keep moving forward. Is that okay? I’ve had to deal with people lying about me and spreading all sorts of things. I’m just asking, Lord, why do I have to keep dealing with this nonsense?”

Despite these challenges, Carr has shown immense strength, balancing his emotional grief with the physical demands of his football career. His faith and commitment to his family have been guiding forces through this tumultuous time. Although his own health is a concern, his focus on supporting Heather and their children speaks volumes about his character.

rezburna 04-29-2025 09:59 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009571)
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/s...18083446575432

Derek Carr shares heartbreaking news of his wife’s miscarriage and calls out the media over injury reports

In a heartbreaking revelation, New Orleans Saints quarterback Derek Carr opened up about a deeply personal tragedy. While preparing for a doctor’s visit regarding his own shoulder injury, Carr had to rush his wife, Heather, to the emergency room after she suffered a miscarriage. The Carr family, already blessed with four children, now mourns the loss of a fifth.

Derek Carr’s heart-wrenching revelation has left many in the NFL community and beyond reeling with emotion. The Saints quarterback, in a raw moment of vulnerability, shared that while he had been scheduled to see a doctor for his own shoulder injury, the plans quickly changed. His wife, Heather, suffered a miscarriage, and they had to rush to the hospital immediately. This deeply personal revelation came with an emotional statement from Carr, who shared, "We don't just have four babies, we have five. One is in heaven. We'll get to meet the other one when we get to heaven." His openness about the situation has struck an emotional chord with many, especially given the intensity of the moment.

Since news of Derek Carr’s injury broke, he had not publicly addressed the situation until Sunday, April 27, when he spoke at a church service for Church LV.

“I really hate that I have to bring this up, but I feel like I need to,” Carr told the congregation. “Yes, I have a shoulder injury, regardless of what ESPN or some lady on a podcast may think. I have the MRI to back it up. The team is fully aware, and we’ve been in constant communication. Everything’s fine, we’re working through it, and we’ll keep moving forward. Is that okay? I’ve had to deal with people lying about me and spreading all sorts of things. I’m just asking, Lord, why do I have to keep dealing with this nonsense?”

Despite these challenges, Carr has shown immense strength, balancing his emotional grief with the physical demands of his football career. His faith and commitment to his family have been guiding forces through this tumultuous time. Although his own health is a concern, his focus on supporting Heather and their children speaks volumes about his character.

Have to extend condolences on that. I know that feeling.

SmashMouth 04-29-2025 10:33 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 

iceshack149 04-29-2025 12:01 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009571)
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/s...18083446575432

Derek Carr shares heartbreaking news of his wife’s miscarriage and calls out the media over injury reports

In a heartbreaking revelation, New Orleans Saints quarterback Derek Carr opened up about a deeply personal tragedy. While preparing for a doctor’s visit regarding his own shoulder injury, Carr had to rush his wife, Heather, to the emergency room after she suffered a miscarriage. The Carr family, already blessed with four children, now mourns the loss of a fifth.

Derek Carr’s heart-wrenching revelation has left many in the NFL community and beyond reeling with emotion. The Saints quarterback, in a raw moment of vulnerability, shared that while he had been scheduled to see a doctor for his own shoulder injury, the plans quickly changed. His wife, Heather, suffered a miscarriage, and they had to rush to the hospital immediately. This deeply personal revelation came with an emotional statement from Carr, who shared, "We don't just have four babies, we have five. One is in heaven. We'll get to meet the other one when we get to heaven." His openness about the situation has struck an emotional chord with many, especially given the intensity of the moment.

Since news of Derek Carr’s injury broke, he had not publicly addressed the situation until Sunday, April 27, when he spoke at a church service for Church LV.

“I really hate that I have to bring this up, but I feel like I need to,” Carr told the congregation. “Yes, I have a shoulder injury, regardless of what ESPN or some lady on a podcast may think. I have the MRI to back it up. The team is fully aware, and we’ve been in constant communication. Everything’s fine, we’re working through it, and we’ll keep moving forward. Is that okay? I’ve had to deal with people lying about me and spreading all sorts of things. I’m just asking, Lord, why do I have to keep dealing with this nonsense?”

Despite these challenges, Carr has shown immense strength, balancing his emotional grief with the physical demands of his football career. His faith and commitment to his family have been guiding forces through this tumultuous time. Although his own health is a concern, his focus on supporting Heather and their children speaks volumes about his character.

That's an atrocity that I wish on no one. Like Rez, this hits home and I feel horrible for the Carr family.

saintsfan1976 04-29-2025 02:40 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 1009572)
Have to extend condolences on that. I know that feeling.

So do I

neugey 04-29-2025 06:02 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
I feel for the Carr family having to go through that.

It also doesn't and shouldn't reset the context of everything that has transpired.

SmashMouth 04-29-2025 06:24 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 

voodooido 04-30-2025 06:39 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
With 3 qb’s within 3 years of being drafted, I would assume this means Carr is a post June 1st cut. I’m not sure if this is correct, but I’ve see it would save roughly 2 million against the cap. If he is sitting anyway, we might as well cut and roll with the young bucks

BakoSaint 04-30-2025 08:57 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 1009593)
With 3 qb’s within 3 years of being drafted, I would assume this means Carr is a post June 1st cut. I’m not sure if this is correct, but I’ve see it would save roughly 2 million against the cap. If he is sitting anyway, we might as well cut and roll with the young bucks

Cutting Carr would save nothing. His 2025 salary was fully restructured meaning everything but the vet minimum $1.25m was cut as a check to him in March and can’t be clawed back unless he quits. And that $1.25m wouldnt really be saved unless we went through the season with a 52 man roster because another player making minimum salary would replace him. Instead, cutting Carr would represent an 8 figure massive financial windfall to Carr who could sign with another team for between $10-25 million and keep all but $1.25m of his Saints salary. This model of rewarding holdouts who feign mysterious aches and pains with restructures that guarantee their contract and them a cut that lets them double up signing elsewhere would lead to other Saints doing the same to double their salaries and play for rivals. The best thing to do with Carr is to hold him on the roster until late August 2026, possibly on IR, and lock him out of the building. He has no new non-minimal salary or guaranteed until week 1 2026 so if we hold him until late august 2026 he cant cash in elsewhere and his actions will have consequences. Even the threat of doing this could force Carr to come to the negotiating table. For example, wanting to a find a new team in March 2026 or sooner, he could agree to a trade with favorable terms for the Saints like agreeing to reduce his 2026 salary for a trade partner or he could agree to reduce his 2026 salary to the vet minimum in return for the Saints declaring him a post-june-1 cut in march 2026, which will improve the immediate cap savings for the saints compared to if they declared him a post-june-1 cut in march 2026 with his $50m salary on the books in which case it would not come off the books until june.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2025 01:43 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 

Rugby Saint II 05-01-2025 02:36 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
I lost my love for Derek Carr. The Raiders apparently knew what they were doing when they benched him. I'm done and ready to move on. Go Shough!

SmashMouth 05-02-2025 07:49 AM

Re: Derek Carr
 
If he no shows for Saints mandatories, fine his balls off.

spkb25 05-02-2025 12:08 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009586)

This is really embarrassing

turbo_dog 05-02-2025 12:54 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
I would just make him ride the pine behind a rookie and a second year guy. Don't cut him because then he'll have a chance with another team. Make sure his career is over by the time his contract is complete.

stickman 05-02-2025 01:20 PM

Re: Derek Carr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 1009649)
I would just make him ride the pine behind a rookie and a second year guy. Don't cut him because then he'll have a chance with another team. Make sure his career is over by the time his contract is complete.

That's kind of brutal man. Respect. ;)


But I am beginning to worry about his presence in the locker room. One malcontent can cause a lot of problems.

SmashMouth 05-06-2025 11:23 AM

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