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4everSaint 04-12-2025 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1008855)
When Derek Carr said “I wouldn't take a pay cut. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Especially with what I put on tape” I am beginning to think the tape in question was recorded at a Diddy party which Carr attended as Mickey Loomis’s guest.

LOL. Good stuff! And I mean that in a nice way. Very funny! Good stuff. I was laughing for a good 2-3 minutes. Especially after reading a couple of times.

jnormand 04-14-2025 07:34 PM

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/stor...s/83088517007/

SmashMouth 04-14-2025 08:50 PM

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K Major 04-14-2025 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1008870)

Way to show leadership Mr. Carr :rolleyes:. Brees would never.

I’m ready for this guy to be gone.

jnormand 04-14-2025 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 1008872)
Way to show leadership Mr. Carr :rolleyes:. Brees would never.

I’m ready for this guy to be gone.

Same.

SmashMouth 04-15-2025 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1008870)

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 1008872)
Way to show leadership Mr. Carr :rolleyes:. Brees would never.

I’m ready for this guy to be gone.

Isn't weird no one has heard from him for a long time? His Twatter has been quiet since Jan 1. The news we got wasn't from him directly either.

They started a YT channel recently is about all.




iceshack149 04-15-2025 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1008876)
Isn't weird no one has heard from him for a long time? His Twatter has been quiet since Jan 1. The news we got wasn't from him directly either.

They started a YT channel recently is about all.

https://youtu.be/jwOsxUmAGWw

https://youtu.be/GS_sRmkuDto

https://youtu.be/Tgt7j46vogA

https://media.tenor.com/BwMPuimzt1sA...ke-mclusky.gif

BakoSaint 04-15-2025 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1008876)
Isn't weird no one has heard from him for a long time? His Twatter has been quiet since Jan 1. The news we got wasn't from him directly either.

They started a YT channel recently is about all.

https://youtu.be/jwOsxUmAGWw

https://youtu.be/GS_sRmkuDto

https://youtu.be/Tgt7j46vogA

Can't wait for their eye liner review showdown.

UK_WhoDat 04-15-2025 01:10 PM

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:disgust:

AsylumGuido 04-15-2025 03:44 PM

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I heard that Albert Breer has heard rumblings that the "injury" is something that he has been playing with since 2023 and that he is just now bringing it up again because wants out of New Orleans and the thought is that the threat of surgery might get him traded or released.

Keep in mind this is once again nothing more media conjecture. But, I can understand where this could be coming from. Carr has been treated like crap from a sizable percentage of Saints fans since it was first announced that he was coming to town. These fans were pissed that Dennis Allen was our coach and that Mickey Loomis was our GM and appeared to take it out on Carr from day one. It's really hard to blame him for being so aloof when all he has experienced was vitriol since arriving. It is definitely time for him to move on.

Hoping for greener grass -- but we all know how that tends to go.

SmashMouth 04-15-2025 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008884)
I heard that Albert Breer has heard rumblings that the "injury" is something that he has been playing with since 2023 and that he is just now bringing it up again because wants out of New Orleans and the thought is that the threat of surgery might get him traded or released.

Keep in mind this is once again nothing more media conjecture. But, I can understand where this could be coming from. Carr has been treated like crap from a sizable percentage of Saints fans since it was first announced that he was coming to town. These fans were pissed that Dennis Allen was our coach and that Mickey Loomis was our GM and appeared to take it out on Carr from day one. It's really hard to blame him for being so aloof when all he has experienced was vitriol since arriving. It is definitely time for him to move on.

Hoping for greener grass -- but we all know how that tends to go.

If true, then all he had to do was speak up, a long time ago. We can't all read his mind, whatever is in there, if there is anything in there.

The move to Fresno is a rather big tell, retrospectively. The new vids with his brother are also a tell, especially the one about teams needing a QB. Funny he didn't mention Saints.

neugey 04-15-2025 06:23 PM

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Oh great now Carr is selling cars on Youtube. I guarantee you Mickey will buy a few.

You can't make this stuff up.

SmashMouth 04-15-2025 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1008891)
Oh great now Carr is selling cars on Youtube. I guarantee you Mickey will buy a few.

You can't make this stuff up.


Sinner 04-15-2025 10:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008884)
I heard that Albert Breer has heard rumblings that the "injury" is something that he has been playing with since 2023 and that he is just now bringing it up again because wants out of New Orleans and the thought is that the threat of surgery might get him traded or released.

Keep in mind this is once again nothing more media conjecture. But, I can understand where this could be coming from. Carr has been treated like crap from a sizable percentage of Saints fans since it was first announced that he was coming to town. These fans were pissed that Dennis Allen was our coach and that Mickey Loomis was our GM and appeared to take it out on Carr from day one. It's really hard to blame him for being so aloof when all he has experienced was vitriol since arriving. It is definitely time for him to move on.

Hoping for greener grass -- but we all know how that tends to go.


Whatever psychedelic grass you’re smokin AINT changed in at least three years.
You might want to double pack your bong this coming season.

K Major 04-15-2025 11:25 PM

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Well Raidernation did warn (some) us about Carr.

Hell, Michael Thomas did too.

BakoSaint 04-15-2025 11:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008884)
I heard that Albert Breer has heard rumblings that the "injury" is something that he has been playing with since 2023 and that he is just now bringing it up again because wants out of New Orleans and the thought is that the threat of surgery might get him traded or released.

Keep in mind this is once again nothing more media conjecture. But, I can understand where this could be coming from. Carr has been treated like crap from a sizable percentage of Saints fans since it was first announced that he was coming to town. These fans were pissed that Dennis Allen was our coach and that Mickey Loomis was our GM and appeared to take it out on Carr from day one. It's really hard to blame him for being so aloof when all he has experienced was vitriol since arriving. It is definitely time for him to move on.

Hoping for greener grass -- but we all know how that tends to go.

I wasn't aware that Carr was so butt hurt. Seriously, maybe he will need season ending butt surgery. You are the same person who told me that your experience in the dome this year was that the vast majority of fans were rays of positive sunshine and the people being negative and questioning Dennis Allen's gifted leadership were a small minority of online trolls. Now that small minority of online trolls is apparently solely responsible for Carr's failure in New Orleans.

Except honestly we live in a world where every QB is going to face many detractors who they can only silence with their play. Carr never even had to face a serious challenger for his job while for example Tom Brady came up under a QB controversy with many fans calling for Drew Bledsoe to start, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers both played great seasons after their teams drafted their replacements, many KC fans questioned the Patrick Mahomes pick when Alex Smith was the entrenched starter, Jalen Hurts had to beat out Carson Wentz to start and then was questioned a lot after he signed a big contract and slumped, Josh Allen was called a horrible pick by many, Kurt Warner was relegated to Eli Mannings backup before he had a second wind with the Cardinals, Jared Goff was traded as a salary dump, etc. Heck, even Sam Darnold, who certaintly faced skepticism replacing Kirk Cousins, had a better season in Minnesota than Carr ever did here, with a rookie breathing down his neck and much discussion that the Vikings would not keep him. If you think Carr faced some skepticism from some fans coming here, imagine what Goff faced being salary dumped on the hopeless Lions who lost Stafford who immediately won a ring in LA. Yet, Goff put on his big boy pants and proved his doubters wrong with his play. Carr had dinner at Chipotle, cursed out all his receivers, and injured his butt reviewing a Bentley.

SmashMouth 04-16-2025 10:05 AM

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Let him rot and fine him ad infinitum or put pressure
for Carr to let go of his contract. What a scumbag .

Rugby Saint II 04-16-2025 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 1008849)
No, no,no,no

Oh, Hell No!:rolleyes:

Rugby Saint II 04-16-2025 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 1008851)
Man, I’m sure glad I have developed a wicked sense of humor, and other things to do on Sundays.

Damn! There is usually no rugby on Sunday. Back to NASCAR I guess.

Rugby Saint II 04-16-2025 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 1008872)
Way to show leadership Mr. Carr :rolleyes:. Brees would never.

I’m ready for this guy to be gone.

I remember thinking to myself that Derek Carr was not a bad quarterback when I saw him play. It felt like he's just had a bad team around him. Well, nothing has changed. He still has a bad team around him and he's not doing well. We can move on now.

Rugby Saint II 04-16-2025 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 1008894)
Whatever psychedelic grass you’re smokin AINT changed in at least three years.
You might want to double pack your bong this coming season.

I plan on doing just that. :cool:

K Major 04-16-2025 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1008901)
https://youtu.be/MC1Dp6cjXzk

Let him rot and fine him ad infinitum or put pressure
for Carr to let go of his contract. What a scumbag .

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time”.

Wow. Sounds as if the dude doesn’t even want to be here.

Let him geaux. Bye.

SmashMouth 04-16-2025 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 1008908)
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time”.

Wow. Sounds as if the dude doesn’t even want to be here.

Let him geaux. Bye.

What are the league rules if he's a no show with respect to his contract? There have to be penalties of some sorts.


Sinner 04-16-2025 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 1008904)
I remember thinking to myself that Derek Carr was not a bad quarterback when I saw him play. It felt like he's just had a bad team around him. Well, nothing has changed. He still has a bad team around him and he's not doing well. We can move on now.

The Raiders knew exactly what Carr was all about when they sat his a$$ down on the bench. Our front office invested big money and a whole lot of our time to inherit that stench. And here we are(n’t). Again.

neugey 04-16-2025 06:03 PM

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I think we should cut Carr and cite "conduct detrimental to the team". Other teams have done the same to theirs over lesser things. To think as it sits today this guy is our captain LMAO.

SmashMouth 04-16-2025 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1008925)
I think we should cut Carr and cite "conduct detrimental to the team". Other teams have done the same to theirs over lesser things. To think as it sits today this guy is our captain LMAO.


Can we save all the cap space for that? :bng:

neugey 04-16-2025 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1008926)
Can we save all the cap space for that? :bng:


The money is a lot cause, unless he hurt his shoulder mountain climbing. Just need to try to get some dignity back.

BakoSaint 04-16-2025 07:17 PM

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Does this remind anyone else of the situation with Nick Fairley? Honestly, the Fairley contract might have cost the Saints a championship as it came at a critical window in Brees late career. It was not quite as big of a contract but it was quality starter money. Fairley had a known heart condition but Loomis did not think to get it checked out before signing Fairley to an extension with a large signing bonus after a good year on a prove-it one year deal. So the second the ink dries on Fairley's extension and he cashed out his signing bonus, he goes to his own doctors, and they say the lingering long term condition has progressed and he can never play again. Who needs the Aflac duck when you got Mickey Loomis and bottle of Jack, he'll cover ever chronic condition that other insurance won't. Its a real shame that we have a GM who is asleep at the wheel and doesn't think about anything carefully before he does it.

SmashMouth 04-16-2025 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1008928)
Does this remind anyone else of the situation with Nick Fairley? Honestly, the Fairley contract might have cost the Saints a championship as it came at a critical window in Brees late career. It was not quite as big of a contract but it was quality starter money. Fairley had a known heart condition but Loomis did not think to get it checked out before signing Fairley to an extension with a large signing bonus after a good year on a prove-it one year deal. So the second the ink dries on Fairley's extension and he cashed out his signing bonus, he goes to his own doctors, and they say the lingering long term condition has progressed and he can never play again. Who needs the Aflac duck when you got Mickey Loomis and bottle of Jack, he'll cover ever chronic condition that other insurance won't. Its a real shame that we have a GM who is asleep at the wheel and doesn't think about anything carefully before he does it.

I was at Mickey's bar in Old Metairie on Sunday with my better looking better half.Even had his drink, Mickey's special, a bourbon concoction with a large square clear ice cube that was actually pretty good. The waiter told me he was there too. I tell ya, I was indeed tempted to walk over and introduce myself. But I thought better of it .Maybe he was drowning his sorrows at his own bar with his own drink. One thing for sure , CarrFax was nowhere to be found there :bng:

K Major 04-16-2025 08:18 PM

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I think Underhill or Ross J eluded to it …

Do we even know if Carr is truly injured? The guy has shown all the signs of not wanting to be in NOLA. It’s becoming apparent to me that he wants out. So far, he’s been surprisingly quiet though … Except for that YouTube channel with his brother :rolleyes:.

Just cut him.

turbo_dog 04-16-2025 09:13 PM

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I was trying to wait this thing out without turning to the dark side on Carr. But I'm over this MFer! I don't think any team would trade for him, so I say pay him his stupid money and make him ride the bench every game.

SmashMouth 04-16-2025 09:14 PM

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SmashMouth 04-17-2025 06:33 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...HrHrR2fMooaA&s

Not sure of the source, but this may be CarrFax's pelvic Xray.

SmashMouth 04-17-2025 06:39 AM

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From Google AI

Quote:

If an NFL player's performance is deemed detrimental to the team, several cap ramifications can occur. Teams may be able to terminate the player's contract, either due to poor performance or "conduct detrimental to the team," potentially leading to a dead cap hit. The team may also face penalties if the player's contract is terminated for cause, as outlined in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).
Elaboration:
Contract Termination:
NFL contracts often include clauses allowing teams to terminate a player for poor performance or for conduct detrimental to the team. If a contract is terminated for cause, the player may be entitled to any guaranteed money in the contract, depending on the specific terms.
Dead Cap Hit:
When a team terminates a player's contract, the remaining portion of the player's guaranteed money that is not yet paid becomes a dead cap hit. This means the team still has to pay that money, even though the player is no longer on the roster. The dead cap hit is typically spread over two seasons.
Injured Reserve (IR):
If a player is deemed unable to play due to injury, the team can place them on IR. They will continue to receive their base salary and the team is responsible for medical treatment. They can be placed on the IR, potentially allowing the team to sign another player, but within salary cap limits.
Waived/Injured:
If a player is injured and not placed on IR, the team can waive/injured them. The team would then need to make an injury settlement offer to the player, which could include a lump sum payment for lost salary and medical costs.
"Conduct Detrimental to the Team" Clause:
NFL contracts often include clauses that allow teams to terminate a contract if a player engages in conduct that negatively impacts the team. This could include off-field issues or on-field actions that damage the team's reputation or performance.
Penalties for Violating CBA:
The NFL and the NFL Players Association (NFLPA) have a CBA that outlines the rules for player contracts and termination. Teams may face penalties, including fines or draft pick reductions, if they violate the terms of the CBA.

AsylumGuido 04-17-2025 09:06 AM

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At this point Carr has done nothing that could be deemed as detrimental to the club. Veterans commonly do not show up for the earliest phases of OTA's. Especially if they are truly nursing an injury.

As for the "injury", I have heard "speculation" that it is likely the injury that he suffered in the 2023 season. Nothing new or out of the blue, if so. I believe, outside of the regular season, HIPAA rules apply and individual teams, nor the league itself, can share medical details without the consent of the player. However, as a contracted employee I also believe that the team must have access to that information, even though they are prohibited from sharing the same. I think there is little doubt the Saints front office know exactly where things lie.

As for Carr's off-season silence, nothing new there. Apparently he has always maintained a fairly low profile. I believe the podcast was more the pet project of his brother, David.

There has been nothing more than media speculation to date about Carr this off-season. There may or may not be truths to any or all of it. We'll find out sooner or later. It is the deadest period of the NFL year --- the period between combines and the rookie draft.

turbo_dog 04-17-2025 05:25 PM

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I suspect there is some ego problem with him having a new boss who used to compete against him on the field in college.

neugey 04-17-2025 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008936)
At this point Carr has done nothing that could be deemed as detrimental to the club. Veterans commonly do not show up for the earliest phases of OTA's. Especially if they are truly nursing an injury. .


AFAIK conduct detrimental to the team is completely at the Saints discretion. Rizzi could have been disciplined or released for conduct detrimental to the team after clogging a toilet.

BakoSaint 04-17-2025 08:19 PM

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I believe Mickey Loomis has committed conduct detrimental to the team and his contract including all guarantees should be cancelled immediately. He has made grossly negligent financial transactions without conducting due diligence and has conducted himself in an extremely unprofessional manner including conducting press conferences while clearly intoxicated.

saintsfan1976 04-18-2025 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008936)
At this point Carr has done nothing that could be deemed as detrimental to the club. Veterans commonly do not show up for the earliest phases of OTA's. Especially if they are truly nursing an injury.

As for the "injury", I have heard "speculation" that it is likely the injury that he suffered in the 2023 season. Nothing new or out of the blue, if so. I believe, outside of the regular season, HIPAA rules apply and individual teams, nor the league itself, can share medical details without the consent of the player. However, as a contracted employee I also believe that the team must have access to that information, even though they are prohibited from sharing the same. I think there is little doubt the Saints front office know exactly where things lie.

As for Carr's off-season silence, nothing new there. Apparently he has always maintained a fairly low profile. I believe the podcast was more the pet project of his brother, David.

There has been nothing more than media speculation to date about Carr this off-season. There may or may not be truths to any or all of it. We'll find out sooner or later. It is the deadest period of the NFL year --- the period between combines and the rookie draft.

Time will tell but IMO you're dead wrong.

This reeks of petulance.

Derek Carr is done in New Orleans and I hope we trade him for a 7th round pick to the Niners.

frydaddy 04-18-2025 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 1008950)
Time will tell but IMO you're dead wrong.

This reeks of petulance.

Derek Carr is done in New Orleans and I hope we trade him for a 7th round pick to the Niners.

I'd rather see them put him on IR immediately. Force him to miss all off-season work and the season. Then wait until after June 1st next year to cut him. By then he'll be a 35/36 year old QB who hasn't played in nearly 2 years and will have missed a significant portion of the off-season, making it even more difficult for him to latch on somewhere else. This is what Derek Carr deserves. And I say that as someone who believed in him when he was signed, and who still believed he could be a good QB at the beginning of last year. He has shown me who he is now, and I hope he never plays another down for anyone. F**k Derek Carr.


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