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iceshack149 04-18-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 1008932)
I was trying to wait this thing out without turning to the dark side on Carr. But I'm over this MFer! I don't think any team would trade for him, so I say pay him his stupid money and make him ride the bench every game.

I'd like for the Saints to show him on the big screen in the Superdome on the bench before every game so that the fans can let him know how much they appreciate him in New Orleans.

Sinner 04-18-2025 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 1008953)
I'd like for the Saints to show him on the big screen in the Superdome on the bench before every game so that the fans can let him know how much they appreciate him in New Orleans.

Show him on the big screen from back when he was on the Raiders bench, and flash the price tag that we threw at him, and you’ll empty the dome in minutes.

K Major 04-18-2025 11:46 AM

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Carr is an expensive mistake.

AsylumGuido 04-18-2025 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1008946)
AFAIK conduct detrimental to the team is completely at the Saints discretion. Rizzi could have been disciplined or released for conduct detrimental to the team after clogging a toilet.

Not really. There are contractual stipulations that would have to have been standardized by the league to prevent any team from arbitrarily eliminating cap hit. Coaches, of course are different and do not affect the cap. But player contracts have to fit completely within the confines of the league definitions. That's why when the bogus "bountygate" punishments were appealed all players were exonerated while coaches had no avenue to even appeal.

Honestly, the Saints or any other team do not have much say at all on what is or is not detrimental as defined by the league. They can claim what they want, but the league decides and, as I stated, nothing has even approached anything that has ever been deemed as detrimental to my knowledge.

AsylumGuido 04-18-2025 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1008947)
I believe Mickey Loomis has committed conduct detrimental to the team and his contract including all guarantees should be cancelled immediately. He has made grossly negligent financial transactions without conducting due diligence and has conducted himself in an extremely unprofessional manner including conducting press conferences while clearly intoxicated.

Of course you do.

:rolleyes:

Sinner 04-18-2025 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008964)
Not really. There are contractual stipulations that would have to have been standardized by the league to prevent any team from arbitrarily eliminating cap hit. Coaches, of course are different and do not affect the cap. But player contracts have to fit completely within the confines of the league definitions. That's why when the bogus "bountygate" punishments were appealed all players were exonerated while coaches had no avenue to even appeal.

Honestly, the Saints or any other team do not have much say at all on what is or is not detrimental as defined by the league. They can claim what they want, but the league decides and, as I stated, nothing has even approached anything that has ever been deemed as detrimental to my knowledge.

To your knowledge? Dude had “Detriment” written all over him in black and silver, long before he became “Excrement” in black and gold.

AsylumGuido 04-18-2025 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 1008950)
Time will tell but IMO you're dead wrong.

This reeks of petulance.

Derek Carr is done in New Orleans and I hope we trade him for a 7th round pick to the Niners.

We're not going to get anything in trade if any of this is true.

saintsfan1976 04-19-2025 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008967)
We're not going to get anything in trade if any of this is true.

That's the point - none of it is true.

SmashMouth 04-19-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 1008959)
Carr is an expensive mistake.

Shoulda trusted the Raiders' CarrFax!

SmashMouth 04-21-2025 10:04 AM

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https://x.com/504Tru/status/1913696598871380272


WillSaints81 04-21-2025 12:04 PM

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Something's off with this. Not adding up.

SmashMouth 04-22-2025 08:11 AM

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WillSaints81 04-22-2025 12:17 PM

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He already moved back to Fresno so they weren't staying in it.

WillSaints81 04-22-2025 01:31 PM

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I should have looked at the one bed, one bath part.

neugey 04-22-2025 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1008995)


There's a bathroom in the blue tent? :confused:

SmashMouth 04-23-2025 04:30 PM

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BakoSaint 04-23-2025 09:39 PM

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The best revenge would be Derek Carr having his season ending surgery with a team doctor. They'd probably amputate his leg. Then he can review a Bentley with ADA pedals.

Sinner 04-24-2025 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009065)
The best revenge would be Derek Carr having his season ending surgery with a team doctor. They'd probably amputate his leg. Then he can review a Bentley with ADA pedals.

^^^ That’s a good one right there.

neugey 04-24-2025 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1009065)
The best revenge would be Derek Carr having his season ending surgery with a team doctor. They'd probably amputate his leg. Then he can review a Bentley with ADA pedals.


Joke all you want, but Mickey likely bought one of Carr's Rolls Royce cars. Maybe a few of them!

AsylumGuido 04-24-2025 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 1009089)
Joke all you want, but Mickey likely bought one of Carr's Rolls Royce cars. Maybe a few of them!

Mickey drives a Plymouth.

Sinner 04-24-2025 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009094)
Mickey drives a Plymouth.

Does it have a spacious back seat?

SmashMouth 04-24-2025 09:22 PM

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AsylumGuido 04-25-2025 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1009180)

Sounds like the speculation that has been being bandied about may not be very accurate. Surprise.

Sinner 04-25-2025 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1009252)
Sounds like the speculation that has been being bandied about may not be very accurate. Surprise.

“Derek would prefer to rehab and play this season but doesn't have any answer right now.”

Translation: Raider Curbside Trash is gonna stink up another wasted “Rebuild” Season for Saints Fans. Again…

Cruize 04-25-2025 12:07 PM

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I don't blame him for wanting rehab first. If he can't go this season, have the surgery and be ready for next year. He will have plenty of Saints cash to take with him to his next team.

SmashMouth 04-26-2025 12:31 PM

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:rofl:

vpheughan 04-27-2025 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1008799)


"Seriously nobody knows at this point if there's even anything to it at all." Says "SUR GURY".The Knight Of The Draft Table who starts threads about nothing. :rolleyes:

BakoSaint 05-12-2025 05:55 PM

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I came up with this graphic to show how insane Derek Carr's decision to attempt a super man dive was. I don't want to rub it in, his career is over, but young players like Shough should study this. It's fine to say that we were not technically eliminated from the playoffs and he was trying to do everything he could to win. But in the end, if your are 4-8 and have to little trust in your defense to hold a lead against a 2-10 Drew Lock led Giants that you can't risk 3rd and short, you are not a serious contender in any slim playoff berth scenario. And ultimately every player has to know their own capabilities and work within their skillset not this far outside it in this kind of situation.



The clip is here:
At first it looks like Kevin Austin Jr causes Carr to crash land, but watch it over in slow motion, I would say that Austin cannot possibly expect Carr to attempt that move, and Carr jumps straight at Austin, who does nothing unpredictable himself. If anything, Austin is just lucky Carr didn't end his career too.

Also it looks like Carr could have made the 1st down if air yards after crossing the plane out of bounds counter. But they don't. It makes me wonder if Carr knew the rule, or if doing so little rushing in his career he thought extending his arm out of bounds could get him the first. If he had switched the ball to his left arm and reached out with it, he might have gotten it.

I dont really know what to compare this decision to. Yes he was trying to win, but in the most impossible reckless way given his skillset. It would be like Stephen Curry trying to dunk on Wemby in a regular season game with lots of time on the shot clock and a small lead with 4 minutes remaining. It would be like Hailey Van Lith trying to dunk in any game. It would be like current Mike Trout trying to steal home with 1 out and a lead in the 8th inning and attempting a similar dive. If would be like running the tush push against the Eagles with Jake Haener in Week 18 playing for a #1 overall pick we traded to them.


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