Carr May Require Off-Season Surgury
 

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Just when you think this mess couldn't get any worse.

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This is great news. The Saints will now be FORCED to move on.

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I guess he's gone. Bye.

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Just logging in to see this. Throwing or non-throwing shoulder?

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Lot's of assumption here. Understand this is just speculation from someone who misses when swinging more often than hitting a fact. It is out there as "news", but take it with a grain, or maybe even a spoonful of salt. ;)

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Seriously nobody knows at this point if there's even anything to it at all.

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More respectable input.

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Feels kind of suspect that a man that wanted out, didn't turn up during superbowl week.

Might be a tin foil fat thing

Buy either he knows that a QB us coming in with the 9th pick and that Moore doesn't want him long term.

Or he wants to sit at home and 'rehab' because he didn't get tbe release he wants

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Nothing sudden about it. The Saints already had a major question at QB. Now that question is hurt. Lucky thing for him that he is employed by the #1 injured athlete charity in the world.

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I need more info before I can buy into the "Carr is over in New Orleans" talk. It's two weeks before the draft. This could be some kind of subterfuge. I've seen stranger things.

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What in the world? Maybe this is draft smoke? What if the team put that out there so someone would trade in front of them to get a QB, leaving a player the Saints are actually targeting on the board?

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:rofl:

As if the Saints didn't know ... The only question is the injury clause in his contract . At the end of the day, it likely means we've seen the very last of Carr in a Saints uniform. Wonder what are the cap implications . Will it mean drafting a guy? I guess we're fixing to see, aren't we?

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How long will this recovery take? It's not rotator cuff surgery and there's still four months before the season starts.

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I like the thought but I do NOT give the Saints front office that much credit.

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I’m curious to know where Ian Rapaport got this news from.

Just hope the Saints don’t reach (Dart or Ewers) for a QB.

Every pick is critical. We need immediate contributors.

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People say this nonsense of news being a smokescreen for the draft across the nfl year after year. It just about never is.

This is convenient for all.
Carr doesn't want to be woth the team

Moore knows he needs a long term option because Carr is t him and you don't pay 40-50ml a year for avg play if you want to win

Carr can stay at home and rehab with his medical team under supervision

The only reason he is here know is Loomis, the God awful contract he gave him and him wanting Carr to be the guy so it doesn't look like another bad choice for him. Loomis is problem

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I agree with you that the general tone is that Derek and the Saints are not going to be a thing.


And yet the information is very opaque. We don't even know which shoulder is affected and what nature of surgery is being considered. It's not even being reported on ESPN and aside from some mid-round Masters updates it's a quiet news night. With ambiguous info comes an ambiguous response - at least from me.

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Raider Curbside Carrbage just reached another expiration date, and it’s only April. Hope he retires rich and pain-free.

We ready to start another “rebuild”?

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People who still believe in Carr at this point believe in fairies, fairies who wear way too much eye liner.

The best solution to Carr is to keep him on the roster since he is already paid for, but never put him on the field in play or practice again because the injury risk is too high.

Then in the next offseason give him two choices:

1. Reduce his 2026 salary to $1 million and increase his 2027 salary to $250 million non-guaranteed, which becomes fully guaranteed on March 20. Saints release Carr with a post-June-1 tag, but because he reduced his salary for the current year to $1 million, much of the cap relief is immediate. But because of the $250 million trigger, Carr know that the Saints will cut him, so he doesn't have to worry about being held hostage with the $1 million salary. I can't find exact rules of how everything works but I believe this is legal and would offer ideal cap relief in 2026.

2. If Carr refuses this offer, there is no reason to use the post-June-1 tag on Carr, because unlike past years there is no guarantee to be avoided with the early cut, and there is no immediate cap relief with a post-June-1 tag until its actually June 1, so the Saints wait until its actually after June 1 to cut Carr, which defers much of the dead cap to 2027. Ideally the Saints wait until late August. This effectively ends Carr's career as he misses free agency, training camp, and preseason. This is why Carr would likely have to accept the previous offer.

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This pleases me.

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You can't win in a game of "Punch Out" if you can't get past 'Joe Glass'!
(If you're an OG, you understand the reference!)

In other words, you can't win with this guy. tiem to cut bait. Apparently, some guys are floating Stetson Bennet from the Rams for a 3rd. any good rumors?

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3rd is robbery. Stetson isn't worth anything more than a 7th and that's kind.

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Apparently the Saints were fully aware of this situation all along. At this point everything is still nothing more than speculation. Saying that "shoulder surgery" is only a "consideration" tells me it isn't major. Shoulder injuries are defined by a very wide spectrum. I heard the mention of a possible labral related injury from somewhere the last couple of days. That can be handled by a minor scope procedure or can even be played through.

https://sunnyvaleorthopedics.com/wp-...-Injuries.webp

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My problem with this is that you are trusting the same people who kept you completely in the dark with this to suddenly be fully transparent. Mickey Loomis has a long history of delaying and then understating injury news to soften the blow before revealing the full extent. You are just a PR pawn for him to manipulate by telling you whatever he thinks you can handle and not telling you whatever he thinks you can't handle to keep you on the hook for his next round of kool aid. Remember when there was cause to be optimistic about Ram's recovery? And MT? And when many other players missed more time than expected? And what about the Pelicans?

Given Mickey's history, it would be more reasonable to assume Carr is going to miss at least a major chunk of the season, probably all, or they wouldn't be softening the blow to prepare you for this. Now perhaps as some say the Saints didn't leak this, which means they are even more intent to keep you in the dark altogether. But I still think the Saints may have leaked it. If their intent is to soften the blow and then reveal the full extent later, leaking rather than announcing the injury allows them to more effectively soften the blow. If they announce it in a press conference, they immediately face followup questions where many details come out at once and the blow isn't softened. They can't explain announcing it without any details. If they leak it, they can have the bad news trickle out where we don't know which arm or what injury, then its apparently a labrum, but maybe there is cause for optimism, but maybe there isn't, and they can slow roll the bad news while acting pissed about the leak and refraining from comment.

Not only do I expect this injury is serious, given the Saints history I expect there are other serious injuries that are being hidden from us for now. For example McCoy is a major part of the offense and has missed a lot time, and I doubt the Saints would give us the full picture of any long term issues he has. Eventually that situation could play out as Ram 2.0. Also, I favor moving on from Taysom Hill, and I am encouraged at present that he has not been restructured, but for those who are invested in him don't be surprised if news on his injury recovery and contract status, or lack of recovery and cut, comes at a strategic time to soften the PR blow, not at an early time to allow you as a fan to objectively evaluate the Saints roster situation for the upcoming season. Probably it could make sense to announce the situation with Hill after the draft when fans are excited about a draft pick, but if Loomis needs a PR lift now that may not stop him from restructuring Hill now and writing off the $10 million loss later.

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So why restructure his contract if the Saints knew about it?

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The problem with restructuring the contract was that it guaranteed Carr his full salary. But if the Saints had not restructured the contract, Carr's salary would have guaranteed a few days later anyway. Either way the $40 million for Carr in 2025 was going to be a sunk cost. The only out was to cut Carr before the guarantee triggered and before the restructure. But if Carr was hurt due to a football injury, he could not be cut because he could not pass a physical. So the Saints may have been screwed. The thing about Loomis is that he loves getting bent over and screwed but he likes to keep it on the down low. So he tells everyone this lousy employee wearing all the eye liner and making twice what he is worth is the future of the company, when really he is just a pretty face who has Mickey bent over his desk.

Stetson Bennett is a joke. Imagine if AJ McCarron really liked to binge drink. At this point Bennett is a camp body who could possibly make an interesting mediocre third string QB for some teams local media. Nobody is getting more than a conditional 7th round pick swap for Bennett and he is no teams answer without an unprecedented career turnaround.

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Here's my thing - we thought Michael Thomas would be healthy in about a month, and then he ended up being injury riddled and 10% of his former self for the rest of his career. It's entirely possibly the reverse happens - Carr is all good in a month or so while we're all thinking it's a career-ender.

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Just saw on Fox News we are looking at Rogers. I guess it could be worse. I just hope we don’t get into a bidding war

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I am not sure it could be worse. I believe Rodgers will want $30-40 million per year. We can totally sign him for that or even more but it will have extremely bad consequences for the future. Likely the contract would be structured so that more of the payment is deferred and the 2025 cap hit is very low, but then if it is effectively a 1 year deal, all the rest of the money will hit the cap in 2026 if Rodgers moves on or retires. The problem with that is that cutting Derek Carr in the 2026 offseason will also have a big dead cap hit, and if we allocate 2026 cap to Rodgers it strengthens temptation to keep Carr for 2026 and restructure.

Lets say we sign Rodgers to a $36 million contract for 2025 structured with $1 million base salary, $35 million signing bonus, and 4 void years. I think this a reasonable picture of what a 1 year deal with Rodgers could look like. The 2025 cap cost would be only $8 million. But then lets say it doesn't work out of Rodgers has a vision in his sweat lodge that leads him to decide he doesn't want to play for the Saints in 2026 and will retire. And the Saints also want to move on from Carr. The 2026 Saints could be looking at $88 million dead cap in 2026 between Carr ($60 million) and Rodgers ($28 million) with neither on the 2026 team. I am not sure the Saints could afford both cap hits. Even if Rodgers were to sign a bargain contract for $26 million, which I think is highly unlikely, you are still looking at $20 million dead cap for Rodgers in 2026. Signing Aaron Rodgers would be the key to keeping Derek Carr a Saint in 2026, making $50 million for sitting on his butt and eating at Chipotle.

This could lead to keeping Carr in 2026 and paying him $50 million of new money in order to be able to restructure him and reduce his 2026 cap hit to $29 million, but setting up an $80 million dead cap hit for Carr in 2027. Or it could lead to keeping Rodgers in 2026 on similar terms and rolling over the money due, which would leak to a $49 million dead cap hit for Rodgers in 2027. Or knowing Mickey Loomis, he could see restructuring BOTH Carr and Rodgers in 2026 as the smart move, since both contracts would be cheaper to restructure than to terminate on a 1 year basis, which would allow the Saints to be more competitive in free agency and pursue a start like Derek Henry or Michael Evans for 2026 that would be the the missing piece for a champioship. That would set the Saints up for a combined $129 million dead cap hits for moving on from both Carr and Rodgers in the 2027 offseason. And this isn't a joke, it isn't an exaggeration, it is 100% Mickey Loomis's MO and why he needs to be fired immediately and locked out of the building.

Its also easy to say that we would solve all these problems by using a post-June-1 tag on Carr and/or Rodgers. But that just doesn't work. Teams have to be under the cap in March for the start of the league year. Post June 1 tags don't reduce cap numbers until June. They simply help a team cut a player before further guarantees trigger. They wouldn't help much with the Carr/Rodgers mess.

With Carr's injury, age, and attitude we need to get rid of him. Getting rid of him is going to cost money in dead cap hit. We need to set the money aside to take that medicine. We can't spend that money elsewhere.

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Because Mickey had made such a mess of the cap that it was the only way to avoid restructuring every other contract on the roster just to get under the cap

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No, no,no,no

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Only thing I saw from Fox is them say "Rodgers could have a new NFL team and the Saints could look at him" - not sure I've seen anything yet to say they are actively interested, unless I've missed something?

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Man, I’m sure glad I have developed a wicked sense of humor, and other things to do on Sundays.

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There is no way this team’s management/FO would dumb enough to sign Aaron Rogers. Good grief that would be a disaster. The guy is washed up. He isn’t worth the money he’ll be asking or the headache.

To each their own, but any dude that has to go to ****in dirt lodge or whatever it is that he does to figure himself out every year is probably nuts.

I’d roll with Rattler before I ever paid for that guy. He’s done.

That must be fodder.

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I’m not so sure. Remember Mickey Loomis & co went after Desean Watson.

But I agree, let someone else sign Rodgers.

It’s time for the Saints to reset this thing with new, young talent.

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It wouldn't be fair to ask our rookie coach Moore to put up with the media circus that comes with Rodgers. Super hard pass.

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When Derek Carr said “I wouldn't take a pay cut. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Especially with what I put on tape” I am beginning to think the tape in question was recorded at a Diddy party which Carr attended as Mickey Loomis’s guest.