Is it safe to say...

voodooido · 08-18-2025, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Trent Dilfer had Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis,Sam Adams ,Rob Burnett,Rod Woodson and Shannon Sharpe on the roster.

Okay, Doug Williams says hello.

Sinner · 08-18-2025, 10:07 PM

It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON…

Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office?

voodooido · 08-19-2025, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON…

Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office?

Every year we didn’t have brees or Bobby Hebert I expected a bad season. Maybe a year or two with AB I expected more. Idk, it’s kinda the calling card of a saints fan.

BakoSaint · 08-19-2025, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON…

Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office?

I think that before Brees, especially outside of the Hebert and Brooks years, the outlook was "we are probably a bad team, but you never know, if everything goes right we can be just above .500, make the playoffs, and who knows maybe even win one playoff game." In the Hebert and Brooks years there was perhaps the sense that we could take the playoff games one week at a time, and although we would never be big favorites, we had some chance to go further at each step if we managed to get there and win the first one. Now I think we are back to a team that is similar to the level of the Ditka, late Mora, or pre-Mora years, where the absolute best hope if everything goes right is to sneak into the playoffs with a .500-ish record, hope for an unlikely major collapse by our playoff opponent, and in the unlikely event we somehow win a playoff game, get ready to be crushed in round 2. We just dont have a team that can forseeably contend to go all the way. But I think the difference now is that we are accustomed to more and aren't satisfied with mediocrity, which is good. So the 5% chance that if Mayfield gets hurt and Bryce Young reverts to his freshman form and Penix flops while one of our QBs is ok we could go 9-8, that just isn't that exciting. If we go 9-8 and win the division and get beat 40-10 by Washington in the wild card round, it won't be making the playoffs that we are excited about, it will only be how to build on that to actually contend for another ring. Its not that we have the worst Saints team ever, its that we have the worst Saints team since we raised our expectations above mediocrity, which is good.

vpheughan · 08-19-2025, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I think that before Brees, especially outside of the Hebert and Brooks years, the outlook was "we are probably a bad team, but you never know, if everything goes right we can be just above .500, make the playoffs, and who knows maybe even win one playoff game." In the Hebert and Brooks years there was perhaps the sense that we could take the playoff games one week at a time, and although we would never be big favorites, we had some chance to go further at each step if we managed to get there and win the first one. Now I think we are back to a team that is similar to the level of the Ditka, late Mora, or pre-Mora years, where the absolute best hope if everything goes right is to sneak into the playoffs with a .500-ish record, hope for an unlikely major collapse by our playoff opponent, and in the unlikely event we somehow win a playoff game, get ready to be crushed in round 2. We just dont have a team that can forseeably contend to go all the way. But I think the difference now is that we are accustomed to more and aren't satisfied with mediocrity, which is good. So the 5% chance that if Mayfield gets hurt and Bryce Young reverts to his freshman form and Penix flops while one of our QBs is ok we could go 9-8, that just isn't that exciting. If we go 9-8 and win the division and get beat 40-10 by Washington in the wild card round, it won't be making the playoffs that we are excited about, it will only be how to build on that to actually contend for another ring. Its not that we have the worst Saints team ever, its that we have the worst Saints team since we raised our expectations above mediocrity, which is good.

It will be interesting what the Saints roster looks like after all those players hit the market after the final cut down date.

saintsfan1976 · 08-19-2025, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON…

Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office?

Cannot speak for everyone but I'm fine if we don't have a great
"win/loss" season this year.

The rebuild we wanted is here
The coaching changes we lobbied for have happened
The draft we needed most likely just happened
The cap room we hoped for is favorable for the first time in over a decade

IMO, the reasons for optimism far outweigh the perceived negatives from 2 preseason games.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2025, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

Continuity is the most important factor for the offensive line. When players are rotated in and out and moved from one position to another there's no way for the line to gel and learn to operate as a singular unit. The guards are dependent upon the center and visa versa. Same for the guards and tackles. McCoy is the most important piece especially with the young QB's. It's his job to identify the defense and make and execute the right counters.

When our offensive line was the best in the league we had all five players playing well over 90% of the snaps on the season. I really think that is more of the issue today than the personnel.

Sinner · 08-19-2025, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Cannot speak for everyone but I'm fine if we don't have a great
"win/loss" season this year.

The rebuild we wanted is here
The coaching changes we lobbied for have happened
The draft we needed most likely just happened
The cap room we hoped for is favorable for the first time in over a decade

IMO, the reasons for optimism far outweigh the perceived negatives from 2 preseason games.

All else being considered, the ONLY consistent thing to be optimistic about, is that beloved Saints Fans remain optimistic. 🙏🏻

rezburna · 08-19-2025, 12:47 PM

I'm not perturbed by preseason. The success of this team will be based on the ability or inability of the starters to stay on the field. Depth isn't a strength of this roster, and we've been watching back ups play with an occasional starter here and there. No Justin Reid, Demario Davis, Chase Young, Carl Granderson, Davon Godchaux, Julian Blackmon, etc. And we already know we need ALL hands on deck offensively for that to work. We won't get a decent read on this team until week 1.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2025, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm not perturbed by preseason. The success of this team will be based on the ability or inability of the starters to stay on the field. Depth isn't a strength of this roster, and we've been watching back ups play with an occasional starter here and there. No Justin Reid, Demario Davis, Chase Young, Carl Granderson, Davon Godchaux, Julian Blackmon, etc. And we already know we need ALL hands on deck offensively for that to work. We won't get a decent read on this team until week 1.

^^^^

Exactly!

08-18-2025, 09:51 PM	#31
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08-18-2025, 10:07 PM	#32
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08-19-2025, 01:50 AM	#33
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,865	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Sinner It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON… Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office? Every year we didn’t have brees or Bobby Hebert I expected a bad season. Maybe a year or two with AB I expected more. Idk, it’s kinda the calling card of a saints fan. Halo and Sinner like this.
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08-19-2025, 08:07 AM	#34
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,453	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Sinner It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON… Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office? I think that before Brees, especially outside of the Hebert and Brooks years, the outlook was "we are probably a bad team, but you never know, if everything goes right we can be just above .500, make the playoffs, and who knows maybe even win one playoff game." In the Hebert and Brooks years there was perhaps the sense that we could take the playoff games one week at a time, and although we would never be big favorites, we had some chance to go further at each step if we managed to get there and win the first one. Now I think we are back to a team that is similar to the level of the Ditka, late Mora, or pre-Mora years, where the absolute best hope if everything goes right is to sneak into the playoffs with a .500-ish record, hope for an unlikely major collapse by our playoff opponent, and in the unlikely event we somehow win a playoff game, get ready to be crushed in round 2. We just dont have a team that can forseeably contend to go all the way. But I think the difference now is that we are accustomed to more and aren't satisfied with mediocrity, which is good. So the 5% chance that if Mayfield gets hurt and Bryce Young reverts to his freshman form and Penix flops while one of our QBs is ok we could go 9-8, that just isn't that exciting. If we go 9-8 and win the division and get beat 40-10 by Washington in the wild card round, it won't be making the playoffs that we are excited about, it will only be how to build on that to actually contend for another ring. Its not that we have the worst Saints team ever, its that we have the worst Saints team since we raised our expectations above mediocrity, which is good. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-19-2025, 08:33 AM	#35
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,566	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by BakoSaint I think that before Brees, especially outside of the Hebert and Brooks years, the outlook was "we are probably a bad team, but you never know, if everything goes right we can be just above .500, make the playoffs, and who knows maybe even win one playoff game." In the Hebert and Brooks years there was perhaps the sense that we could take the playoff games one week at a time, and although we would never be big favorites, we had some chance to go further at each step if we managed to get there and win the first one. Now I think we are back to a team that is similar to the level of the Ditka, late Mora, or pre-Mora years, where the absolute best hope if everything goes right is to sneak into the playoffs with a .500-ish record, hope for an unlikely major collapse by our playoff opponent, and in the unlikely event we somehow win a playoff game, get ready to be crushed in round 2. We just dont have a team that can forseeably contend to go all the way. But I think the difference now is that we are accustomed to more and aren't satisfied with mediocrity, which is good. So the 5% chance that if Mayfield gets hurt and Bryce Young reverts to his freshman form and Penix flops while one of our QBs is ok we could go 9-8, that just isn't that exciting. If we go 9-8 and win the division and get beat 40-10 by Washington in the wild card round, it won't be making the playoffs that we are excited about, it will only be how to build on that to actually contend for another ring. Its not that we have the worst Saints team ever, its that we have the worst Saints team since we raised our expectations above mediocrity, which is good. It will be interesting what the Saints roster looks like after all those players hit the market after the final cut down date.
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08-19-2025, 09:38 AM	#36
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,091 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by Sinner It’s wild that this is probably the first season (preseason game#2) where we fans are pretty much already resolved to having a bad year, THIS SOON… Y’all gotta admit, it’s probably an all time low. Still digging our front office? Cannot speak for everyone but I'm fine if we don't have a great "win/loss" season this year. The rebuild we wanted is here The coaching changes we lobbied for have happened The draft we needed most likely just happened The cap room we hoped for is favorable for the first time in over a decade IMO, the reasons for optimism far outweigh the perceived negatives from 2 preseason games. iceshack149, Crusader and Rugby Saint II like this.

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08-19-2025, 12:12 PM	#38
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,078	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Cannot speak for everyone but I'm fine if we don't have a great "win/loss" season this year. The rebuild we wanted is here The coaching changes we lobbied for have happened The draft we needed most likely just happened The cap room we hoped for is favorable for the first time in over a decade IMO, the reasons for optimism far outweigh the perceived negatives from 2 preseason games. All else being considered, the ONLY consistent thing to be optimistic about, is that beloved Saints Fans remain optimistic. 🙏🏻 Halo, saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.
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08-19-2025, 12:47 PM	#39
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,190	Re: Is it safe to say... I'm not perturbed by preseason. The success of this team will be based on the ability or inability of the starters to stay on the field. Depth isn't a strength of this roster, and we've been watching back ups play with an occasional starter here and there. No Justin Reid, Demario Davis, Chase Young, Carl Granderson, Davon Godchaux, Julian Blackmon, etc. And we already know we need ALL hands on deck offensively for that to work. We won't get a decent read on this team until week 1. Danno, Crusader, saintsfan1976 and 1 others like this.

08-19-2025, 12:58 PM	#40
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,899	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by rezburna I'm not perturbed by preseason. The success of this team will be based on the ability or inability of the starters to stay on the field. Depth isn't a strength of this roster, and we've been watching back ups play with an occasional starter here and there. No Justin Reid, Demario Davis, Chase Young, Carl Granderson, Davon Godchaux, Julian Blackmon, etc. And we already know we need ALL hands on deck offensively for that to work. We won't get a decent read on this team until week 1. ^^^^ Exactly!