Is it safe to say...

voodooido · 08-18-2025, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

...that there is no Ace QB1 currently on our roster? Seems like we have interrim QB's but not the future of the franchise in Haener, Rattler, or Shough.

I've never been a tank kind of guy but this season is going to be a bad one on offense. Arch? Are we in the running?

I’m not sure why everyone thinks Manning is the 2nd coming of Christ. The kid started 1 game last year against a sun belt team and did not win the #1 qb job against a future 7th rd pick. If we tank for a unproven possibility, I’ve finally had enough with this organization. Shough has been on the roster for only 4 months. Why can’t we give the kid a Chance before completely giving up on the season? People still want to give Rat a chance after going 0-6 last year but are done with Shough after 2 preseason games.

voodooido · 08-18-2025, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about.

I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small.

Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.

rezburna · 08-18-2025, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.

I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.

SmashMouth · 08-18-2025, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

rezburna · 08-18-2025, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

I saw somebody say we should trade for Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't see the point of bringing in a vet. We've seen it play out with Jameis, Dalton, Carr, etc.

Halo · 08-18-2025, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco?

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

jnormand · 08-18-2025, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

I think it’s gonna be a long season no matter what. This team is in rebuild mode and I doubt that they have a winning record at the end of the season.

At best I’m just hoping they’re competitive and develop some of the younger players that will be here next season.

I’m prepared for a 5 win or less season.

If they do better, that’s fantastic. But with offensive line issues, inexperienced QB play and depth problems on both sides of the ball, this is gonna be a tough one.

K Major · 08-18-2025, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Doesn't matter who is at QB, if this offensive line doesn't tighten up, it's going to be a looooong season. Seriously.

And pray no injuries to McKoy.

Once he went down, the wheels fell off completely last season.

BakoSaint · 08-18-2025, 06:41 PM

People are excited about Arch Manning because he was the #1 overall recruit in the nation at one time, his grandfather and two of his uncles were top NFL QBs, and he is a solid 6'4". Yes we haven't seen what he can do at the college level yet but plenty of teams would give a 1st round pick for him now based on the upside and potential. He is no sure thing, and he will have to live up to expectations in college to cement his status as an early 1st round pick, but if teams could draft him now, he would go in the first round unless he plays poorly to prove he is not worth it. He has the most upside of any QB who is not yet in the NFL.

I hope Shough or Rattler shows something this year. I hope its somehow so great that they are the answer at QB. But as it stands, its more likely that Arch Manning becomes a pro bowler than Shough or Rattler. They were both high ranking recruits too, but they have since shown negative things in college, injuries, and Rattlers middling pro resume. Manning has the size of Shough without the age or injuries, and Shough had done nothing by Mannings current age, nor has he really ever had a college season we wouldn't call a letdown for Manning.

Signing a veteran QB now would be stupid. There are many issues on our team now beyond just QB, so to really contend we either need a QB for the future when the rest of our team is better or a QB who can be so great this year that they make up for other issues, the highest upside, a sensation. Guys like Garappalo would be a safety net that might get us from 4 wins to 6 wins, and all that gets us is a worse draft pick. The only veteran QB I would consider is Dorian-Thompson Robinson because if things go sideways, I think he is the best tanker the league has seen since Chris Weinke and could confidently deliver us the #1 overall pick.

lee909 · 08-18-2025, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Trent Dilfer says hello. He sports a SB ring. There are others.

Trent Dilfer had Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis,Sam Adams ,Rob Burnett,Rod Woodson and Shannon Sharpe on the roster.

08-18-2025, 03:09 PM	#21
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,865	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by leilung ...that there is no Ace QB1 currently on our roster? Seems like we have interrim QB's but not the future of the franchise in Haener, Rattler, or Shough. I've never been a tank kind of guy but this season is going to be a bad one on offense. Arch? Are we in the running? I’m not sure why everyone thinks Manning is the 2nd coming of Christ. The kid started 1 game last year against a sun belt team and did not win the #1 qb job against a future 7th rd pick. If we tank for a unproven possibility, I’ve finally had enough with this organization. Shough has been on the roster for only 4 months. Why can’t we give the kid a Chance before completely giving up on the season? People still want to give Rat a chance after going 0-6 last year but are done with Shough after 2 preseason games. jnormand, turbo_dog, neugey and 3 others like this.
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08-18-2025, 03:12 PM	#22
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,865	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by stickman I am trying not to be too hard on Shough since he is a rookie with only limited time, in preseason games, to judge him on. But I really don't see anything to get excited about. I think Rattler gives us our best chance at winning. And that chance is small. Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance.
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08-18-2025, 04:02 PM	#23
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,190	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by voodooido Why don’t assume Rat gives us a better chance? He went 0-6 last year against technically, even playing with all the backups, he should have slipped up on a win. Shough has played better in the preseason and has only been in the roster 4 months. So quick to give up on him but Rat is given chance after chance. I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,219 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Is it safe to say... Originally Posted by rezburna I'd say for the same reasons people are pretending like Shough gives us a good chance to win as if he wasn't a mediocre, journeyman QB in college that was completing just barely over 60% of his passes in conferences that aren't known for defensive intensity. Shough played for three different teams over the course of 6 years in college. His whole career has been built on second and third chances. We just got to watch Shough with Olave and Shaheed. We've never seen Rattler with them. They're giving him every opportunity to run away with the job and he can't separate from the 5th round pick of a previous regime. Rookie or not, Shough is older than Rattler. Ratt went 21-10 in college. Shough? 16-14. Maybe we shoulda got Joe Flacco? Sinner likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,453	Re: Is it safe to say... People are excited about Arch Manning because he was the #1 overall recruit in the nation at one time, his grandfather and two of his uncles were top NFL QBs, and he is a solid 6'4". Yes we haven't seen what he can do at the college level yet but plenty of teams would give a 1st round pick for him now based on the upside and potential. He is no sure thing, and he will have to live up to expectations in college to cement his status as an early 1st round pick, but if teams could draft him now, he would go in the first round unless he plays poorly to prove he is not worth it. He has the most upside of any QB who is not yet in the NFL. I hope Shough or Rattler shows something this year. I hope its somehow so great that they are the answer at QB. But as it stands, its more likely that Arch Manning becomes a pro bowler than Shough or Rattler. They were both high ranking recruits too, but they have since shown negative things in college, injuries, and Rattlers middling pro resume. Manning has the size of Shough without the age or injuries, and Shough had done nothing by Mannings current age, nor has he really ever had a college season we wouldn't call a letdown for Manning. Signing a veteran QB now would be stupid. There are many issues on our team now beyond just QB, so to really contend we either need a QB for the future when the rest of our team is better or a QB who can be so great this year that they make up for other issues, the highest upside, a sensation. Guys like Garappalo would be a safety net that might get us from 4 wins to 6 wins, and all that gets us is a worse draft pick. The only veteran QB I would consider is Dorian-Thompson Robinson because if things go sideways, I think he is the best tanker the league has seen since Chris Weinke and could confidently deliver us the #1 overall pick. SmashMouth likes this.
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