QB Poll

saintsfan1976 · 08-24-2025, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

They are pretty much even head to head.

One QB has started 6 NFL games and 2 preseason games and is 0 for 8

One QB has started 1 NFL Preseason game that ended in a tied.

Why would you pick the 0 for 8 QB all things being even … just asking.

And people complained we kept doing to the same ole thing over and over expecting different results with the previous Saints Coaching Staff’s.

If you watched those games last year, you'd know Rattler had very little to work with.

One major reason to believe in Rattler THIS season is the coaching staff (3 NFL QBs) and a healthy roster. Not an elite unit but enough pieces to make things happen.

I wouldn't hate seeing him get his shot.

AsylumGuido · 08-24-2025, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Way to put it on the line Guido.

Okay, 76. Since Rattler hasn't differentiated himself from Shough even with a year's more experience in the league I would personally go with Shough given he was likely Moore's choice and given a guaranteed, yet still minimal rookie contract. I actually love the way Shough changes his arm angle on throws and his size and presence when he decides to run on those RPO's.

But, no telling what they are thinking and seeing behind their doors. As I said before, I'll support whatever they decide.

jtsaints · 08-24-2025, 06:06 PM

Not taking either side but u also have to realize rattler is still a yr younger. Yes he had a yr in the nfl but also came out 2 yrs younger then shough. Give him the extra 2 yrs in college where would he b? Not sure we have a great ab but both r ok but need time to see what we have. They were late or high on a lot of balls. Some still catchable. Some play calling I didn’t like that stopped drives. Don’t think they were on our qbs

jtsaints · 08-24-2025, 06:07 PM

We need our o line and rbs to help. Let’s see when they are in with Alvin

frydaddy · 08-24-2025, 07:28 PM

Hard call. They've been basically neck and neck through this whole thing. For me personally, I think I'd go with Shough and chase the upside. Rattler just seems to be who he is, and that's fine. I liked him last year, I still like him this year, but I don't know if there's a lot more potential there to be pulled out. Maybe there is, but it's pretty well hidden as of now. With Shough, I feel like I can much more clearly see the untapped potential. Can he reach it? Only time will tell. But I'd hope to give him every opportunity to do so.

All that said, I'm probably 65% certain that they go with Rattler, and I don't hate that either. It's very likely to be another tough season anyway, so we'll probably get an extended look at both guys eventually. I just want it to be a big enough sample size to be able to confidently say going into next year's draft whether we already have our QB or not.

iceshack149 · 08-24-2025, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I have no idea. Lol. Maybe put each of the quarterbacks in for two games. By week five most of the offensive line will be injured, so then you can put that goofy bastard in there and let him get eaten alive by defenses.

The goofy bastard:

https://www.wwltv.com/article/entert...a-fb85768af635

rezburna · 08-24-2025, 08:29 PM

I view the competition the opposite way of many in our fan base. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round pick. It doesn't matter if he's been here an extra year or not. Haener has been in the league for 3 years and both Rattler and Shough were able to clearly distinguish themselves from him. The 2nd round pick can't clearly distinguish himself from the 5th round pick. Not just a 5th round pick, but another regimes 5th round pick. Given where Shough was taken his stat line should look similar to a Jaxson Dart. Instead he's neck and neck with a 5th round pick. All that being said, start him. You picked him that high, so start him.

jnormand · 08-24-2025, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The goofy bastard:

https://www.wwltv.com/article/entert...a-fb85768af635

Yes I’ll take a left handed, long haired Brees over both. Lol

saintsfan1976 · 08-25-2025, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Okay, 76. Since Rattler hasn't differentiated himself from Shough even with a year's more experience in the league I would personally go with Shough given he was likely Moore's choice and given a guaranteed, yet still minimal rookie contract. I actually love the way Shough changes his arm angle on throws and his size and presence when he decides to run on those RPO's.

But, no telling what they are thinking and seeing behind their doors. As I said before, I'll support whatever they decide.

Atta boy G - that wasn't so hard, was it?

Originally Posted by rezburna

I view the competition the opposite way of many in our fan base. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round pick. It doesn't matter if he's been here an extra year or not. Haener has been in the league for 3 years and both Rattler and Shough were able to clearly distinguish themselves from him. The 2nd round pick can't clearly distinguish himself from the 5th round pick. Not just a 5th round pick, but another regimes 5th round pick. Given where Shough was taken his stat line should look similar to a Jaxson Dart. Instead he's neck and neck with a 5th round pick. All that being said, start him. You picked him that high, so start him.

I recall you mentioning Rattler wouldn't get a fair shot. Do you still feel that way? I thought it was telling how Spencer started with the 1s in 2/3 games.

IMO he looks about the same as he did last season and my main issue is accuracy.

Shough has the same problem. His ceiling may be higher but he's making just as many mistakes as Spencer.

I can justify either guy starting so in a way I'm left agreeing with Guido - whoever starts is fine with me.

mjf150 · 08-25-2025, 12:43 PM

They need to start Shough. There is obviously something that Kellen Moore saw in him. Not all, but most rookies have growing pains. Look at Goff, Allen, Stafford, both the Mannings, Aikman, Farve, and others. The team needs to see what they have in this 2nd Round QB, in order to determine if they should use a pick on a 1st rounder next year or the year after. It just logical.

08-24-2025, 05:15 PM	#11
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,101 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Poll Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat They are pretty much even head to head. One QB has started 6 NFL games and 2 preseason games and is 0 for 8 One QB has started 1 NFL Preseason game that ended in a tied. Why would you pick the 0 for 8 QB all things being even … just asking. And people complained we kept doing to the same ole thing over and over expecting different results with the previous Saints Coaching Staff’s. If you watched those games last year, you'd know Rattler had very little to work with. One major reason to believe in Rattler THIS season is the coaching staff (3 NFL QBs) and a healthy roster. Not an elite unit but enough pieces to make things happen. I wouldn't hate seeing him get his shot. jnormand likes this.

08-24-2025, 05:22 PM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,950	Re: QB Poll Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Way to put it on the line Guido. Okay, 76. Since Rattler hasn't differentiated himself from Shough even with a year's more experience in the league I would personally go with Shough given he was likely Moore's choice and given a guaranteed, yet still minimal rookie contract. I actually love the way Shough changes his arm angle on throws and his size and presence when he decides to run on those RPO's. But, no telling what they are thinking and seeing behind their doors. As I said before, I'll support whatever they decide. saintsfan1976 likes this.

08-24-2025, 06:06 PM	#13
jtsaints 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 150	Re: QB Poll Not taking either side but u also have to realize rattler is still a yr younger. Yes he had a yr in the nfl but also came out 2 yrs younger then shough. Give him the extra 2 yrs in college where would he b? Not sure we have a great ab but both r ok but need time to see what we have. They were late or high on a lot of balls. Some still catchable. Some play calling I didn’t like that stopped drives. Don’t think they were on our qbs
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08-24-2025, 06:07 PM	#14
jtsaints 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 150	Re: QB Poll We need our o line and rbs to help. Let’s see when they are in with Alvin
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08-24-2025, 07:28 PM	#15
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,966 Blog Entries: 1	Re: QB Poll Hard call. They've been basically neck and neck through this whole thing. For me personally, I think I'd go with Shough and chase the upside. Rattler just seems to be who he is, and that's fine. I liked him last year, I still like him this year, but I don't know if there's a lot more potential there to be pulled out. Maybe there is, but it's pretty well hidden as of now. With Shough, I feel like I can much more clearly see the untapped potential. Can he reach it? Only time will tell. But I'd hope to give him every opportunity to do so. All that said, I'm probably 65% certain that they go with Rattler, and I don't hate that either. It's very likely to be another tough season anyway, so we'll probably get an extended look at both guys eventually. I just want it to be a big enough sample size to be able to confidently say going into next year's draft whether we already have our QB or not. iceshack149, jnormand and Crusader like this.
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08-24-2025, 07:53 PM	#16
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,481 Blog Entries: 1	Re: QB Poll Originally Posted by jnormand I have no idea. Lol. Maybe put each of the quarterbacks in for two games. By week five most of the offensive line will be injured, so then you can put that goofy bastard in there and let him get eaten alive by defenses. The goofy bastard: https://www.wwltv.com/article/entert...a-fb85768af635 jnormand likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,236	Re: QB Poll I view the competition the opposite way of many in our fan base. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round pick. It doesn't matter if he's been here an extra year or not. Haener has been in the league for 3 years and both Rattler and Shough were able to clearly distinguish themselves from him. The 2nd round pick can't clearly distinguish himself from the 5th round pick. Not just a 5th round pick, but another regimes 5th round pick. Given where Shough was taken his stat line should look similar to a Jaxson Dart. Instead he's neck and neck with a 5th round pick. All that being said, start him. You picked him that high, so start him. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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08-24-2025, 09:30 PM	#18
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,807	Re: QB Poll Originally Posted by iceshack149 The goofy bastard: https://www.wwltv.com/article/entert...a-fb85768af635 Yes I’ll take a left handed, long haired Brees over both. Lol iceshack149 likes this.

08-25-2025, 10:49 AM	#19
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,101 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Poll Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Okay, 76. Since Rattler hasn't differentiated himself from Shough even with a year's more experience in the league I would personally go with Shough given he was likely Moore's choice and given a guaranteed, yet still minimal rookie contract. I actually love the way Shough changes his arm angle on throws and his size and presence when he decides to run on those RPO's. But, no telling what they are thinking and seeing behind their doors. As I said before, I'll support whatever they decide. Atta boy G - that wasn't so hard, was it? Originally Posted by rezburna I view the competition the opposite way of many in our fan base. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round pick. It doesn't matter if he's been here an extra year or not. Haener has been in the league for 3 years and both Rattler and Shough were able to clearly distinguish themselves from him. The 2nd round pick can't clearly distinguish himself from the 5th round pick. Not just a 5th round pick, but another regimes 5th round pick. Given where Shough was taken his stat line should look similar to a Jaxson Dart. Instead he's neck and neck with a 5th round pick. All that being said, start him. You picked him that high, so start him. I recall you mentioning Rattler wouldn't get a fair shot. Do you still feel that way? I thought it was telling how Spencer started with the 1s in 2/3 games. IMO he looks about the same as he did last season and my main issue is accuracy. Shough has the same problem. His ceiling may be higher but he's making just as many mistakes as Spencer. I can justify either guy starting so in a way I'm left agreeing with Guido - whoever starts is fine with me.

08-25-2025, 12:43 PM	#20
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 777	Re: QB Poll They need to start Shough. There is obviously something that Kellen Moore saw in him. Not all, but most rookies have growing pains. Look at Goff, Allen, Stafford, both the Mannings, Aikman, Farve, and others. The team needs to see what they have in this 2nd Round QB, in order to determine if they should use a pick on a 1st rounder next year or the year after. It just logical. jnormand likes this.
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