Why can't we agree to disagree?

saintswhodi · 11-07-2005, 10:14 PM

Dude, why do you even bother? Your arguments don't even make sense. When Brooks gives you your child support check this week, make sure you tell him how hard you defended his ineptitude as an NFL QB.

Again this sounds like a Coaching f-up,

It is. They decided to line thier fortunes with a garbage QB 6 years ago.

wouldn't they have put some other QB in there?

Who do you think they had on the bench, Peyton Manning? Aaron Brooks is still our best chance to win, which says something about the rest of the QBs on the roster. Means at this point, all our QBs are garbage. But one is a rookie, and his mistakes would be tolerable. But to put anyone but Brooks in means the coaches have given up.

You sound so ridiculous, flipping from one direction to the next, tell me which team in the NFL that doesn't struggle for weeks (plural)on offense during the season...Name them from 1-32 excluding the Saints, by struggle I mean not able to get into the endzone by offense.

Name me one offense in NFL history that has not scored in the first quarter of 12 straight games? Oh, there is only one. Last year's Saints. Okay. Name me another team that can have the D give them THREE turnovers in the first half, and not only does the offense not score, but twice they turn it right back over. Where is tobias with the quit embarrassing youself phrase. This is just getting horrible one-sided. I wonder why the last two weeks I haven't gotten a PM about JAke, and you have made almost NO references to JAKE in this same period of time. Your fraudelent nature has been exposed.

After that name to me, each team that is solely dependent on their offense to win every single game, and i'll start you off 1)Saints.

One comes to mind, the Colts for the last three years. This is the first year they even had a defense. Also the Vikes, and the Packers. Terrible defenses, offenses carried them to the playoffs. So again, name to me one team where the defense gives them three turnovers in a half, and they don't get one point off of it.

Had the defense won a single game for this franchise over the span of 5 years, we're probably in the playoffs.

If the offense didn't lead the league in turnovers, and if more than 50% of the points given up by us hadn't been off turnovers, the defense would look a lot better. I wouldn't expect you to know that though. Class dismissed.

saintswhodi · 11-07-2005, 10:23 PM

Um, what did they do and when? Ya know what, don't even bother. You don't know what you are talking about yourself.

saintswhodi · 11-07-2005, 10:32 PM

Wait, so you don't tell us what the 2005 Dallas Cowboys allegedly did, and then you come back and post a stat from 2004 that shows the Saints D was top 10 in creating turnovers? Seriously? Do you honestly not know how bad you are at this, or do you teally think you ever prove a point?

saintswhodi · 11-07-2005, 10:41 PM

So you prove you have no point by again making no point? I am gonna make it easy for you: TELL US WHAT THE 2005 DALLAS COWBOYS ALLEGEDLY DID, THEN TELL US WHAT THE POINT WAS, IF YOU HAVE ONE, OF POSTING THOSE USELESS STATS. IF NOT, MOVE ON.

saintswhodi · 11-07-2005, 10:48 PM

Rewash. This is the last chance I am gonna give you to defend your drivel.

So you prove you have no point by again making no point? I am gonna make it easy for you: TELL US WHAT THE 2005 DALLAS COWBOYS ALLEGEDLY DID, THEN TELL US WHAT THE POINT WAS, IF YOU HAVE ONE, OF POSTING THOSE USELESS STATS. IF NOT, MOVE ON.

You might as well be throwing around NBA stats if you aren't gonna A) back up the stats you put out and B) say what point you are trying to prove. Since you have done neither, and you still haven't explained the 2005 Cowboys reference, I guess it's safe to say you have no point, and are full of BS as normal. Cool.

TallySaint · 11-08-2005, 08:35 AM

This is gettin' old, fellas.

4saintspirit · 11-08-2005, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Had the defense won a single game for this franchise over the span of 5 years, we're probably in the playoffs.

I have to step in here -- what does it take for a defense to win the game -- outscore the other teams offense. I would say that the defense did its job against the Bears. They did the job against Miami -- did the job against Atlanta. Somehow we lost all of those games. Bad breaks, bad calls, bad coaching, call it anyway you want fact is the defense put us in position to win.

What I cannot get by is the fact that every year the defense gets blamed -- if we only had a defense we would have been in the super bowl. Well this year they are in the upperhalf of the league. And they are still getting blamed. But you are right -- if the defense posts a shut out -- or outscores the offense we would be in great shape this year. Get real ---With our supposed great offense we should win every game where our defense holds their opponent under 20 points.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-08-2005, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Name me one offense in NFL history that has not scored in the first quarter of 12 straight games? Oh, there is only one. Last year's Saints. Okay. Name me another team that can have the D give them THREE turnovers in the first half, and not only does the offense not score, but twice they turn it right back over. Where is tobias with the quit embarrassing youself phrase. This is just getting horrible one-sided. I wonder why the last two weeks I haven't gotten a PM about JAke, and you have made almost NO references to JAKE in this same period of time. Your fraudelent nature has been exposed.

Quote:

2005 Dallas Cowboys...

wow... the 2005 Cowboys have only played 8 games and already have not scored points in the first quarter in 12 straight games!!! That TiVO stuff is the SHIAAATS!!!

FYI, the Cowboys scored 17 points in the first quarter against the Eagles in week 4 this season.

... yet again, stop embarassing yourself...

...

RDOX · 11-08-2005, 12:28 PM

Whodi and Tobias!

You can't argue with a closed mind. BonB has it in his head that Brooks is the savior of this team and that EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else is to blame for the poor performance of the Saints. We think differently, and the argument continues. Remember, Brooks can do the following:

1. Walk on Water
2. Change Water into Wine
3. Cure blindness
4. Cure deafness
5. Curee Leprosy
6. Raise the dead
7. Calm storm seas
8. Rise from the dead
9. Sit at the Right hand of God.
10. Has the Holy Spirit as his brother

Oh No! Wait! That's Jesus. My bad. The fact that Brooks is mediocre and plays as such is OK cause we all know that he's a top 5% QB. Remember, we are all stupid, and if the Defense stayed on the field for 65 minutes of the game and performed the half time show and won 7000-0 there'd still be a bunch that would say that the reason that we didn't win 8000-0 was because Brooks wasn't "given a chance."

This entire argument is beyond stupid, it's insane. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. For you, Whodi and Tobias to expect that the Brooks is a Hero crowd to actually objectively look at the real true facts about Brooks is like asking a fish to ride a unicycle.

One more time. Brooks is a Quarterback who is fundamentally unsound on a football field. He remains inconsistent, mediocre, and ineffective as the starting quarterback of the NNew Orleans Saints Football team. His leadership skills are poor to nonexistent, he panics in certain situations, he tends to fumble in pressure situations, and he cannot read defenses well. He can throw a football well in certain situations, but gets rattled easily. The coahing staff has DUMBED down the play book because he cannot communicate the plays correctly to his teammates. Overall, he has a 10 million dollar arm, a 10 cent head, and no heart. He is in the game for himself and himself alone, and has said so numerous times. He honestly believes the fact that he is a top 5% QB, because his "stats" are high. Yet, with all of this being said, we are 2-6 and have been 8-8 at best over his tenure. That does not bode well for making a case for how good he is. Period.

papz · 11-08-2005, 12:38 PM

Look you all made Tally change his facial expression... bad... bad!

Come on guys, you know some people will never "get it"... that's why I make an effort to not respond to certain individuals. It really does get old repeating the same thing to a person for months yet they still can't see the light.

11-07-2005, 10:14 PM	#31
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Dude, why do you even bother? Your arguments don't even make sense. When Brooks gives you your child support check this week, make sure you tell him how hard you defended his ineptitude as an NFL QB. Again this sounds like a Coaching f-up, It is. They decided to line thier fortunes with a garbage QB 6 years ago. wouldn't they have put some other QB in there? Who do you think they had on the bench, Peyton Manning? Aaron Brooks is still our best chance to win, which says something about the rest of the QBs on the roster. Means at this point, all our QBs are garbage. But one is a rookie, and his mistakes would be tolerable. But to put anyone but Brooks in means the coaches have given up. You sound so ridiculous, flipping from one direction to the next, tell me which team in the NFL that doesn't struggle for weeks (plural)on offense during the season...Name them from 1-32 excluding the Saints, by struggle I mean not able to get into the endzone by offense. Name me one offense in NFL history that has not scored in the first quarter of 12 straight games? Oh, there is only one. Last year's Saints. Okay. Name me another team that can have the D give them THREE turnovers in the first half, and not only does the offense not score, but twice they turn it right back over. Where is tobias with the quit embarrassing youself phrase. This is just getting horrible one-sided. I wonder why the last two weeks I haven't gotten a PM about JAke, and you have made almost NO references to JAKE in this same period of time. Your fraudelent nature has been exposed. After that name to me, each team that is solely dependent on their offense to win every single game, and i'll start you off 1)Saints. One comes to mind, the Colts for the last three years. This is the first year they even had a defense. Also the Vikes, and the Packers. Terrible defenses, offenses carried them to the playoffs. So again, name to me one team where the defense gives them three turnovers in a half, and they don't get one point off of it. Had the defense won a single game for this franchise over the span of 5 years, we're probably in the playoffs. If the offense didn't lead the league in turnovers, and if more than 50% of the points given up by us hadn't been off turnovers, the defense would look a lot better. I wouldn't expect you to know that though. Class dismissed.

11-08-2005, 08:50 AM	#37
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Had the defense won a single game for this franchise over the span of 5 years, we're probably in the playoffs. I have to step in here -- what does it take for a defense to win the game -- outscore the other teams offense. I would say that the defense did its job against the Bears. They did the job against Miami -- did the job against Atlanta. Somehow we lost all of those games. Bad breaks, bad calls, bad coaching, call it anyway you want fact is the defense put us in position to win. What I cannot get by is the fact that every year the defense gets blamed -- if we only had a defense we would have been in the super bowl. Well this year they are in the upperhalf of the league. And they are still getting blamed. But you are right -- if the defense posts a shut out -- or outscores the offense we would be in great shape this year. Get real ---With our supposed great offense we should win every game where our defense holds their opponent under 20 points.
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11-08-2005, 09:05 AM	#38
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Name me one offense in NFL history that has not scored in the first quarter of 12 straight games? Oh, there is only one. Last year's Saints. Okay. Name me another team that can have the D give them THREE turnovers in the first half, and not only does the offense not score, but twice they turn it right back over. Where is tobias with the quit embarrassing youself phrase. This is just getting horrible one-sided. I wonder why the last two weeks I haven't gotten a PM about JAke, and you have made almost NO references to JAKE in this same period of time. Your fraudelent nature has been exposed. Quote: 2005 Dallas Cowboys... wow... the 2005 Cowboys have only played 8 games and already have not scored points in the first quarter in 12 straight games!!! That TiVO stuff is the SHIAAATS!!! FYI, the Cowboys scored 17 points in the first quarter against the Eagles in week 4 this season. ... yet again, stop embarassing yourself... ...

11-08-2005, 12:28 PM	#39
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Whodi and Tobias! You can't argue with a closed mind. BonB has it in his head that Brooks is the savior of this team and that EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else is to blame for the poor performance of the Saints. We think differently, and the argument continues. Remember, Brooks can do the following: 1. Walk on Water 2. Change Water into Wine 3. Cure blindness 4. Cure deafness 5. Curee Leprosy 6. Raise the dead 7. Calm storm seas 8. Rise from the dead 9. Sit at the Right hand of God. 10. Has the Holy Spirit as his brother Oh No! Wait! That's Jesus. My bad. The fact that Brooks is mediocre and plays as such is OK cause we all know that he's a top 5% QB. Remember, we are all stupid, and if the Defense stayed on the field for 65 minutes of the game and performed the half time show and won 7000-0 there'd still be a bunch that would say that the reason that we didn't win 8000-0 was because Brooks wasn't "given a chance." This entire argument is beyond stupid, it's insane. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. For you, Whodi and Tobias to expect that the Brooks is a Hero crowd to actually objectively look at the real true facts about Brooks is like asking a fish to ride a unicycle. One more time. Brooks is a Quarterback who is fundamentally unsound on a football field. He remains inconsistent, mediocre, and ineffective as the starting quarterback of the NNew Orleans Saints Football team. His leadership skills are poor to nonexistent, he panics in certain situations, he tends to fumble in pressure situations, and he cannot read defenses well. He can throw a football well in certain situations, but gets rattled easily. The coahing staff has DUMBED down the play book because he cannot communicate the plays correctly to his teammates. Overall, he has a 10 million dollar arm, a 10 cent head, and no heart. He is in the game for himself and himself alone, and has said so numerous times. He honestly believes the fact that he is a top 5% QB, because his "stats" are high. Yet, with all of this being said, we are 2-6 and have been 8-8 at best over his tenure. That does not bode well for making a case for how good he is. Period.
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11-07-2005, 10:23 PM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Um, what did they do and when? Ya know what, don't even bother. You don't know what you are talking about yourself.

11-07-2005, 10:32 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wait, so you don't tell us what the 2005 Dallas Cowboys allegedly did, and then you come back and post a stat from 2004 that shows the Saints D was top 10 in creating turnovers? Seriously? Do you honestly not know how bad you are at this, or do you teally think you ever prove a point?

11-07-2005, 10:41 PM	#34
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	So you prove you have no point by again making no point? I am gonna make it easy for you: TELL US WHAT THE 2005 DALLAS COWBOYS ALLEGEDLY DID, THEN TELL US WHAT THE POINT WAS, IF YOU HAVE ONE, OF POSTING THOSE USELESS STATS. IF NOT, MOVE ON.

11-07-2005, 10:48 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Rewash. This is the last chance I am gonna give you to defend your drivel. So you prove you have no point by again making no point? I am gonna make it easy for you: TELL US WHAT THE 2005 DALLAS COWBOYS ALLEGEDLY DID, THEN TELL US WHAT THE POINT WAS, IF YOU HAVE ONE, OF POSTING THOSE USELESS STATS. IF NOT, MOVE ON. You might as well be throwing around NBA stats if you aren't gonna A) back up the stats you put out and B) say what point you are trying to prove. Since you have done neither, and you still haven't explained the 2005 Cowboys reference, I guess it's safe to say you have no point, and are full of BS as normal. Cool.

11-08-2005, 08:35 AM	#36
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	This is gettin' old, fellas.

11-08-2005, 12:38 PM	#40
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Look you all made Tally change his facial expression... bad... bad! Come on guys, you know some people will never "get it"... that's why I make an effort to not respond to certain individuals. It really does get old repeating the same thing to a person for months yet they still can't see the light.