Coaching

4saintspirit · 11-08-2005, 01:21 PM

Lets look at the facts -- big name busts --- penalty situation which shows no discipline -- lack of passion or heart --- face it

At some time or other everyone is going to have to come to the one simple fact -- our coaches cannot develop players or discipline. Look at our history = besides the obvious penalties situation lets jump right to the player development.

Brooks -- it may be that coaching is the real reason he sucks. I would be willing to give him another year shot under a different coaching staff.

Mayberry -- highly touted big name O lineman. Guess where he played last week -- bench

Sullivan -- nothing more needs be said.

Lately haslett looks to be as confused as Blanco --

xan · 11-09-2005, 07:38 AM

Why would you give AB another shot when no other coach or analyst covering the league would? How would coaching help him hold onto the ball? How would coaching help him not run backward into the waiting arms of a 25 yard sack? 6 years of the same mistakes? 2 qb coaches and 2 offensive coordinators? Inability to call a play in less than 36 seconds? Can't coach the uncoachable.

RDOX · 11-09-2005, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Why would you give AB another shot when no other coach or analyst covering the league would? How would coaching help him hold onto the ball? How would coaching help him not run backward into the waiting arms of a 25 yard sack? 6 years of the same mistakes? 2 qb coaches and 2 offensive coordinators? Inability to call a play in less than 36 seconds? Can't coach the uncoachable.

Boy!! Aint't that the truth? But still XAN, it's the defense's fault. Recovering a ball on the 3 just isn't doing the right thing for our boy. His "stats are great" and he is a "top 5% QB" in this league. Remember, those of us who see Fumbles for what he is, are just racist and bashers. We don't really understand how great Fumbles REALLY IS!!!

Euphoria · 11-09-2005, 10:27 AM

Coaching has a lot to do with the situation we are in. Disipline comes from the coaches, game planning - coaches, teaching techniques - coaches. Developing younger players - coaches. One QB isn't going to do much for us unless we shore up the dam. Coaching.

xan · 11-09-2005, 11:43 AM

Don't get me wrong, I've been calling for a coaching change for over 3 years now. However, during that time, I've wondered wether AB can actually think his way through a game. Given that the offense is simplified for him (a major coaching move) and he still can't perform, still making the mistakes that coaching cannot fix, he's got to be let go. Maybe he can hook up with an arena league team or the CFL, where ego stats are all they're about.

RDOX · 11-09-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Don't get me wrong, I've been calling for a coaching change for over 3 years now. However, during that time, I've wondered wether AB can actually think his way through a game. Given that the offense is simplified for him (a major coaching move) and he still can't perform, still making the mistakes that coaching cannot fix, he's got to be let go. Maybe he can hook up with an arena league team or the CFL, where ego stats are all they're about.

Looking at Euphoria"s comments along with yours the combination of both posts really adds up to the truth. I sometimes wonder if Brooks didn't catch Hazlett, LoomBoom, and Benson conducting some sort of weird sexual thing together and they all are loathe to let Fumbles go for fear that he'd "tell all."l What I continue to see in the games and read on this board is that Brooks aka Fumbles the Clown is a player who is fundamentally unsound regarding the game he plays and is expected to direct and/or lead. I submit that Brooks has some sort of injury to his right arm and hand that makes him fumble. I'd be interested to see what his grip strength is in his right hand.

All this being said, his reputation as a starting QB is greatly tarnished here with this team. Bash him or not, Xan is right. The mistakes that Fumbles are making, coaching cannot correct. He is not the right fit for this team.

LordOfEntropy · 11-09-2005, 12:44 PM

I've got to agree with Euph on this one - the problem starts in the office, then trickles down to the players. We all pretty much agree that AB sucks, but I think he's just one problem in a plethora of problems.

So we need a coaching change. I agree with that. But a coaching change alone won't be enough, IMO. To really fix things, both the owner and the GM need to go. Benson sticks his nose into operations, fires people for making good decisions. And Mickey, well, he's been good with the cap, but he hasn't gotten staff in here that can coach or scout worth a damn.

So they need to go. Once they're replaced with quality, we could cascade it down to the coaching and scouting staff, then down to the players. That's when the real improvement will occur.

If Benson would just pass the reins to his grandaughter and get out of operations... hope? I dunno.

RDOX · 11-09-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

I've got to agree with Euph on this one - the problem starts in the office, then trickles down to the players. We all pretty much agree that AB sucks, but I think he's just one problem in a plethora of problems.

So we need a coaching change. I agree with that. But a coaching change alone won't be enough, IMO. To really fix things, both the owner and the GM need to go. Benson sticks his nose into operations, fires people for making good decisions. And Mickey, well, he's been good with the cap, but he hasn't gotten staff in here that can coach or scout worth a damn.

So they need to go. Once they're replaced with quality, we could cascade it down to the coaching and scouting staff, then down to the players. That's when the real improvement will occur.

If Benson would just pass the reins to his grandaughter and get out of operations... hope? I dunno.

No arguments here. I have long advocated getting rid of LOOMBOOM and getting a football minded GM here. I have continued to wonder about what would have happened to Haz, had Mueller stayed on. I believe that he'd have been gone after his 4th season along with Fumbles and other "cancers" in the locker room. Strangely enough, Venturi's system is apparently working on defense this year. We were 13th in the league going into the Chicago fiasco. But since the Defense didn't score any points and let the TOP 5% QB down and he had to "carry the team on his back," we'll hear some blast about the sorry condition that Venturi put the entire team in.

Euphoria · 11-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Farve isn't carrying the Packers on his back...

Nor Brady...

Nor Culpepper

I don't believe that our Defense is any better than it has been... watching the games they give up to many big plays and thats the key to defense (DO NOT GIVE UP BIG PLAYS). Its been the Patriots motto.

RDOX · 11-09-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Farve isn't carrying the Packers on his back...

Nor Brady...

Nor Culpepper

I don't believe that our Defense is any better than it has been... watching the games they give up to many big plays and thats the key to defense (DO NOT GIVE UP BIG PLAYS). Its been the Patriots motto.

Absolutel;y true, but the "Stat Pack" on this board are always in favor of citing "Stats" so I can play the same game. Since we currently are at 13th in the league defensively, something must have happened to improve. Namely we now have some semblance of a pass rush and a few defensive backs that can tackl;e. I agree that we still are not there defensively, but we do look somewhat better. The offense that has been so "vaunted" with "a heckofalot" of "potential" sucks rocks. So my point is that we must look elsewhere other than the "sorry Defense."

11-08-2005, 01:21 PM	#1
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Coaching Lets look at the facts -- big name busts --- penalty situation which shows no discipline -- lack of passion or heart --- face it At some time or other everyone is going to have to come to the one simple fact -- our coaches cannot develop players or discipline. Look at our history = besides the obvious penalties situation lets jump right to the player development. Brooks -- it may be that coaching is the real reason he sucks. I would be willing to give him another year shot under a different coaching staff. Mayberry -- highly touted big name O lineman. Guess where he played last week -- bench Sullivan -- nothing more needs be said. Lately haslett looks to be as confused as Blanco --
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11-09-2005, 07:38 AM	#2
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	RE: Coaching Why would you give AB another shot when no other coach or analyst covering the league would? How would coaching help him hold onto the ball? How would coaching help him not run backward into the waiting arms of a 25 yard sack? 6 years of the same mistakes? 2 qb coaches and 2 offensive coordinators? Inability to call a play in less than 36 seconds? Can't coach the uncoachable.

11-09-2005, 09:55 AM	#3
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Re: RE: Coaching Originally Posted by xan Why would you give AB another shot when no other coach or analyst covering the league would? How would coaching help him hold onto the ball? How would coaching help him not run backward into the waiting arms of a 25 yard sack? 6 years of the same mistakes? 2 qb coaches and 2 offensive coordinators? Inability to call a play in less than 36 seconds? Can't coach the uncoachable. Boy!! Aint't that the truth? But still XAN, it's the defense's fault. Recovering a ball on the 3 just isn't doing the right thing for our boy. His "stats are great" and he is a "top 5% QB" in this league. Remember, those of us who see Fumbles for what he is, are just racist and bashers. We don't really understand how great Fumbles REALLY IS!!!
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11-09-2005, 10:27 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Re: RE: Coaching Coaching has a lot to do with the situation we are in. Disipline comes from the coaches, game planning - coaches, teaching techniques - coaches. Developing younger players - coaches. One QB isn't going to do much for us unless we shore up the dam. Coaching.

11-09-2005, 11:43 AM	#5
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	RE: Re: RE: Coaching Don't get me wrong, I've been calling for a coaching change for over 3 years now. However, during that time, I've wondered wether AB can actually think his way through a game. Given that the offense is simplified for him (a major coaching move) and he still can't perform, still making the mistakes that coaching cannot fix, he's got to be let go. Maybe he can hook up with an arena league team or the CFL, where ego stats are all they're about.

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11-09-2005, 12:31 PM	#6
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Re: RE: Re: RE: Coaching Originally Posted by xan Don't get me wrong, I've been calling for a coaching change for over 3 years now. However, during that time, I've wondered wether AB can actually think his way through a game. Given that the offense is simplified for him (a major coaching move) and he still can't perform, still making the mistakes that coaching cannot fix, he's got to be let go. Maybe he can hook up with an arena league team or the CFL, where ego stats are all they're about. Looking at Euphoria"s comments along with yours the combination of both posts really adds up to the truth. I sometimes wonder if Brooks didn't catch Hazlett, LoomBoom, and Benson conducting some sort of weird sexual thing together and they all are loathe to let Fumbles go for fear that he'd "tell all."l What I continue to see in the games and read on this board is that Brooks aka Fumbles the Clown is a player who is fundamentally unsound regarding the game he plays and is expected to direct and/or lead. I submit that Brooks has some sort of injury to his right arm and hand that makes him fumble. I'd be interested to see what his grip strength is in his right hand. All this being said, his reputation as a starting QB is greatly tarnished here with this team. Bash him or not, Xan is right. The mistakes that Fumbles are making, coaching cannot correct. He is not the right fit for this team.
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11-09-2005, 12:44 PM	#7
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Coaching I've got to agree with Euph on this one - the problem starts in the office, then trickles down to the players. We all pretty much agree that AB sucks, but I think he's just one problem in a plethora of problems. So we need a coaching change. I agree with that. But a coaching change alone won't be enough, IMO. To really fix things, both the owner and the GM need to go. Benson sticks his nose into operations, fires people for making good decisions. And Mickey, well, he's been good with the cap, but he hasn't gotten staff in here that can coach or scout worth a damn. So they need to go. Once they're replaced with quality, we could cascade it down to the coaching and scouting staff, then down to the players. That's when the real improvement will occur. If Benson would just pass the reins to his grandaughter and get out of operations... hope? I dunno.
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11-09-2005, 01:01 PM	#8
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Coaching Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy I've got to agree with Euph on this one - the problem starts in the office, then trickles down to the players. We all pretty much agree that AB sucks, but I think he's just one problem in a plethora of problems. So we need a coaching change. I agree with that. But a coaching change alone won't be enough, IMO. To really fix things, both the owner and the GM need to go. Benson sticks his nose into operations, fires people for making good decisions. And Mickey, well, he's been good with the cap, but he hasn't gotten staff in here that can coach or scout worth a damn. So they need to go. Once they're replaced with quality, we could cascade it down to the coaching and scouting staff, then down to the players. That's when the real improvement will occur. If Benson would just pass the reins to his grandaughter and get out of operations... hope? I dunno. No arguments here. I have long advocated getting rid of LOOMBOOM and getting a football minded GM here. I have continued to wonder about what would have happened to Haz, had Mueller stayed on. I believe that he'd have been gone after his 4th season along with Fumbles and other "cancers" in the locker room. Strangely enough, Venturi's system is apparently working on defense this year. We were 13th in the league going into the Chicago fiasco. But since the Defense didn't score any points and let the TOP 5% QB down and he had to "carry the team on his back," we'll hear some blast about the sorry condition that Venturi put the entire team in.
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11-09-2005, 01:55 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Coaching Farve isn't carrying the Packers on his back... Nor Brady... Nor Culpepper I don't believe that our Defense is any better than it has been... watching the games they give up to many big plays and thats the key to defense (DO NOT GIVE UP BIG PLAYS). Its been the Patriots motto.

11-09-2005, 02:07 PM	#10
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Coaching Originally Posted by Euphoria Farve isn't carrying the Packers on his back... Nor Brady... Nor Culpepper I don't believe that our Defense is any better than it has been... watching the games they give up to many big plays and thats the key to defense (DO NOT GIVE UP BIG PLAYS). Its been the Patriots motto. Absolutel;y true, but the "Stat Pack" on this board are always in favor of citing "Stats" so I can play the same game. Since we currently are at 13th in the league defensively, something must have happened to improve. Namely we now have some semblance of a pass rush and a few defensive backs that can tackl;e. I agree that we still are not there defensively, but we do look somewhat better. The offense that has been so "vaunted" with "a heckofalot" of "potential" sucks rocks. So my point is that we must look elsewhere other than the "sorry Defense."
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