And the bad play continues

Tobias-Reiper · 11-21-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

The QB of a 7-3 team, right that's the point. This guy plays horrible weekend and week-out and his team still wins. Now you want to acknowledge the 7-3 as if he contributed to each victory, as if he gave the franchise those.

When in fact those 7 wins were achieved despite him, and the point i've always made is if that team can win despite what their QB does why can't ours? Like every other normal NFL Team does, win even when their QB stinks up the joint...

So the finger point of the Cajun God was made because of what a certain individual did this entire offseason on this forum day in day out 24/7...The fluke, was shown as a fluke a long time ago, and is being proven with every passing sunday, no more talk did the Saints make the right call anymore...

You're actually reinforcing a point that I made in an another thread. Put Aaron Brooks in the right situation, and he will flourish just as much as Delhomme did in 2003, and just as much as Jake Plummer is doing this year in Denver. When they aren't in the right situation, well, we've seen what Plummer can do, we've seen Brooks throw a pass backwards, and we've seen Delhomme start overcompensating and committing turnovers also.

Delhomme has played quite well in several games this year, but he has also struggled in others. The beauty of it for the Panthers, however, is that the team is solid enough to overcome his "off-days". Unfortunately, if Brooks is playing shaky, there's hardly ever any complete confidence that the defense can force a turnover or keep the team from scoring (yesterday was an exception to this.....the D actually responded in the 4th qtr and helped us stay in the game till the end). That leaves Brooks more wide-open to criticism, beacuse if he throws 0 TDs and 2 Interceptions, and the Saints win 24-3, then people aren't gonna say much. However, if Brooks throws 3 TDs and 2 interceptions, and the Saints lose 30-21, then all of a sudden Brooks "turns the ball over too much" and "doesn't possess the skillls to take us to the next step".

..actually, Gambler, what leaves Brooks open to criticism, is Brooks himself...

..when someone proclaims himself great, you call him out... simple as that...

BTW, the defense actually has been playing well...

SaintsAvenger · 11-21-2005, 11:34 PM

Well all I can say is this a team is a reflection of the coach and you practice like you perform. The team has given up on the season because Haslett did. Let's be brutally honest Benson sucks and the team knows it this is just like the first major League let's suck bad enough to move and then we will get good again. We all hope and pray that Tagliabue forces him to sell to either Jim Bob Moffett or to Bradshaws group and maybe they are more intrested about the field than the wallet. Because untill then this whole AB/JD argument is nothing more than spinning our wheels. The difference between the two is three-fold coaching, front office and most of all an orginazation that prides itself on winning and nothing else. So untill then this debate is mute. I could go on and on but what is the f*cking point.

TheDeuce · 11-22-2005, 12:42 AM

Actually it's a indication that myself and a few others were right. And there is no smart arse comeback, only shut-up? Hahhahahahaha.

Who said that I ever disagreed with you? I don't necessarily think that Jake Delhomme is that good of a quarterback (or even better than Brooks for that matter), but the "shut up" came from my (and plenty of other competent posters) sentiment that all you do is trash the intelligent and stimulating conversation/debating that goes on at this site. No matter how many times Whodi refutes what you say with sound arguments and compelling statistical evidence, you continue to plug away convinced that "you're right and everybody else is wrong." That is what many experts consider "social ineptitude." You have the social competence of a four-year-old who will continue to whine and cry and annoy all over this board until you think people are convinced. So trust me, it's annoying and nobody's impressed, or even listening anymore. So give it up.

FrenzyFan · 11-22-2005, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Actually it's a indication that myself and a few others were right. And there is no smart arse comeback, only shut-up? Hahhahahahaha.

Who said that I ever disagreed with you? I don't necessarily think that Jake Delhomme is that good of a quarterback (or even better than Brooks for that matter), but the "shut up" came from my (and plenty of other competent posters) sentiment that all you do is trash the intelligent and stimulating conversation/debating that goes on at this site. No matter how many times Whodi refutes what you say with sound arguments and compelling statistical evidence, you continue to plug away convinced that "you're right and everybody else is wrong." That is what many experts consider "social ineptitude." You have the social competence of a four-year-old who will continue to whine and cry and annoy all over this board until you think people are convinced. So trust me, it's annoying and nobody's impressed, or even listening anymore. So give it up.

On behalf of all of us who are subjected to the constant deluge of ignorant babble, drivel, and factless, baseless, unmitigated garbage from "Jake Delhomme's Stalker", THANK YOU, THE DEUCE!

TallySaint · 11-22-2005, 10:18 AM

Hey BnB and Whodi....

Please give it a rest. Thank you.

8)

TheGambler · 11-22-2005, 10:54 AM

^^

Good point, but it's not going to stop either one of them.

TheGambler · 11-22-2005, 10:59 AM

I did enjoy a couple of quotes from their debate, however:

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

So the finger point of the Cajun God

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

run for a week and pray AB has a better game than Jake

Good times.

saintswhodi · 11-22-2005, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by TallySaint

Hey BnB and Whodi....

Please give it a rest. Thank you.

8)

I made one reply in this post that called me out, and ducked out. No long one sided debate, and I need to give it a rest? Please refrain from using me in your attempts at humor. I purposely only made one response, and no response in other instances. But you're not a moderator, so why don't you give it a rest? It's obvious one person is being a nuisance, and far be it from me to ever respond to someone who is willing to completely fabricate information, make up other info without any thought, and lash out at anyone who disagrees with him. Yeah, I should give it a rest.

Halo · 11-23-2005, 12:52 AM

Ok I think everyone is tired of this one. Get a room if you guys get any closer.

11-21-2005, 09:13 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by TheGambler Originally Posted by BlackonBlack The QB of a 7-3 team, right that's the point. This guy plays horrible weekend and week-out and his team still wins. Now you want to acknowledge the 7-3 as if he contributed to each victory, as if he gave the franchise those. When in fact those 7 wins were achieved despite him, and the point i've always made is if that team can win despite what their QB does why can't ours? Like every other normal NFL Team does, win even when their QB stinks up the joint... So the finger point of the Cajun God was made because of what a certain individual did this entire offseason on this forum day in day out 24/7...The fluke, was shown as a fluke a long time ago, and is being proven with every passing sunday, no more talk did the Saints make the right call anymore... You're actually reinforcing a point that I made in an another thread. Put Aaron Brooks in the right situation, and he will flourish just as much as Delhomme did in 2003, and just as much as Jake Plummer is doing this year in Denver. When they aren't in the right situation, well, we've seen what Plummer can do, we've seen Brooks throw a pass backwards, and we've seen Delhomme start overcompensating and committing turnovers also. Delhomme has played quite well in several games this year, but he has also struggled in others. The beauty of it for the Panthers, however, is that the team is solid enough to overcome his "off-days". Unfortunately, if Brooks is playing shaky, there's hardly ever any complete confidence that the defense can force a turnover or keep the team from scoring (yesterday was an exception to this.....the D actually responded in the 4th qtr and helped us stay in the game till the end). That leaves Brooks more wide-open to criticism, beacuse if he throws 0 TDs and 2 Interceptions, and the Saints win 24-3, then people aren't gonna say much. However, if Brooks throws 3 TDs and 2 interceptions, and the Saints lose 30-21, then all of a sudden Brooks "turns the ball over too much" and "doesn't possess the skillls to take us to the next step". ..actually, Gambler, what leaves Brooks open to criticism, is Brooks himself... ..when someone proclaims himself great, you call him out... simple as that... BTW, the defense actually has been playing well...
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11-21-2005, 11:34 PM	#12
SaintsAvenger Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30	Well all I can say is this a team is a reflection of the coach and you practice like you perform. The team has given up on the season because Haslett did. Let's be brutally honest Benson sucks and the team knows it this is just like the first major League let's suck bad enough to move and then we will get good again. We all hope and pray that Tagliabue forces him to sell to either Jim Bob Moffett or to Bradshaws group and maybe they are more intrested about the field than the wallet. Because untill then this whole AB/JD argument is nothing more than spinning our wheels. The difference between the two is three-fold coaching, front office and most of all an orginazation that prides itself on winning and nothing else. So untill then this debate is mute. I could go on and on but what is the f*cking point.
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11-22-2005, 12:42 AM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Actually it's a indication that myself and a few others were right. And there is no smart arse comeback, only shut-up? Hahhahahahaha. Who said that I ever disagreed with you? I don't necessarily think that Jake Delhomme is that good of a quarterback (or even better than Brooks for that matter), but the "shut up" came from my (and plenty of other competent posters) sentiment that all you do is trash the intelligent and stimulating conversation/debating that goes on at this site. No matter how many times Whodi refutes what you say with sound arguments and compelling statistical evidence, you continue to plug away convinced that "you're right and everybody else is wrong." That is what many experts consider "social ineptitude." You have the social competence of a four-year-old who will continue to whine and cry and annoy all over this board until you think people are convinced. So trust me, it's annoying and nobody's impressed, or even listening anymore. So give it up.
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11-22-2005, 07:44 AM	#14
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Originally Posted by TheDeuce Actually it's a indication that myself and a few others were right. And there is no smart arse comeback, only shut-up? Hahhahahahaha. Who said that I ever disagreed with you? I don't necessarily think that Jake Delhomme is that good of a quarterback (or even better than Brooks for that matter), but the "shut up" came from my (and plenty of other competent posters) sentiment that all you do is trash the intelligent and stimulating conversation/debating that goes on at this site. No matter how many times Whodi refutes what you say with sound arguments and compelling statistical evidence, you continue to plug away convinced that "you're right and everybody else is wrong." That is what many experts consider "social ineptitude." You have the social competence of a four-year-old who will continue to whine and cry and annoy all over this board until you think people are convinced. So trust me, it's annoying and nobody's impressed, or even listening anymore. So give it up. On behalf of all of us who are subjected to the constant deluge of ignorant babble, drivel, and factless, baseless, unmitigated garbage from "Jake Delhomme's Stalker", THANK YOU, THE DEUCE!
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11-22-2005, 10:54 AM	#16
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	^^ Good point, but it's not going to stop either one of them.
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11-22-2005, 10:59 AM	#17
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	I did enjoy a couple of quotes from their debate, however: Originally Posted by BlackonBlack So the finger point of the Cajun God Originally Posted by saintswhodi run for a week and pray AB has a better game than Jake Good times.
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11-22-2005, 06:50 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TallySaint Hey BnB and Whodi.... Please give it a rest. Thank you. 8) I made one reply in this post that called me out, and ducked out. No long one sided debate, and I need to give it a rest? Please refrain from using me in your attempts at humor. I purposely only made one response, and no response in other instances. But you're not a moderator, so why don't you give it a rest? It's obvious one person is being a nuisance, and far be it from me to ever respond to someone who is willing to completely fabricate information, make up other info without any thought, and lash out at anyone who disagrees with him. Yeah, I should give it a rest.

11-23-2005, 12:52 AM	#19
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