Take that Jim Haslett...

TheDeuce · 11-27-2005, 03:40 AM

I don't mean to sound callous -- really, I don't -- but if Katrina doesn't happen, there's no way Jim Haslett still has a job. Just a terrible coach. The Saints have quit on him now for four straight seasons -- he's coming up on Wayne Fontes's record. This year, everyone thinks they quit because of the hurricane after-effects, and I'm sure that played a part, there's no question. But these guys always look out undisciplined and underprepared. Always. At some point, you have to look at the coach.

I know it might seem redundant because a lot of the people on this board think Haslett sucks, but I just thought that this was a pretty good quote.

TheDeuce · 11-27-2005, 03:41 AM

That was from Page 2's Bill Simmons:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...x?name=simmons

Tobias-Reiper · 11-27-2005, 11:36 AM

...let's see how long does it take....

G504 · 11-27-2005, 02:46 PM

I agree. We have enough talent (when everyone's healthy) to be a consistant playoff team. But all these 4th quarter losses, penalties, miss communications of routes and coverage, and failed 2 point, 3rd down and 4th down conversions comes down to coaching! Can't blame that on the players.

Euphoria · 11-28-2005, 04:16 PM

yes you can... its called execution. We lose the game at the opening kick off... don't blame 4th quater. Brooks has more fourth quater comebacks than most qb's. Bad routes some comes into play that the player/wr hasn't developed yet enough.

BrooksMustGo · 11-28-2005, 06:11 PM

Simmons has attacked the Saints frequently. He has as long as I've read him. I'm not sure he's off base about it, but he likes to hammer Haslett's Saints.

BlackonBlack · 11-28-2005, 07:29 PM

agree. We have enough talent (when everyone's healthy) to be a consistant playoff team. But all these 4th quarter losses, penalties, miss communications of routes and coverage, and failed 2 point, 3rd down and 4th down conversions comes down to coaching! Can't blame that on the players.

Honestly I don't know which team is worse Detroit are us, we both have talent up the gazooba, but can't even seem to tie our shoe-laces right. Coaching here is obvious, in Detroit??? 2 different staffs same problems, put in a new QB, same problem?

With all the talent in the world you go know where without the right people in the front office.

frankeefrank · 11-28-2005, 08:26 PM

Detroit is a far worse team.

G504 · 11-29-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

yes you can... its called execution. We lose the game at the opening kick off... don't blame 4th quater. Brooks has more fourth quater comebacks than most qb's. Bad routes some comes into play that the player/wr hasn't developed yet enough.

But who job is it to make sure everyone's on the same page? For example, with the penalties in the final 5 minutes of the Jets game. Haz to simplify the play. It was less than 3 minutes and Jets were out of time outs. Keeping the clock running was more important than getting the 1st down at that point. Yeah, Haz didn't plan on his line getting a holding flag, but should have ran the play up the middle were it would have been dang near impossible for anything to go wrong.

APSaintsfan · 11-29-2005, 10:43 PM

It also depends on the player and the refs on what was holding. Haslet is a good guy and I think he tells his coaches and the players what to do but if they do not want to execute it right that is not his fault. If a defensive lineman knows how to play then that Offensive lineman is going to hold anyway, just habit to prevent the D from getting to his QB. Unless the OL wants the QB to get hit then it makes you wonder about the whole season from a OL stand point. All these holding calls??? Just alot of What Ifs. Even if going up the middle somebody is going to do something funking.

11-27-2005, 03:40 AM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Take that Jim Haslett... I don't mean to sound callous -- really, I don't -- but if Katrina doesn't happen, there's no way Jim Haslett still has a job. Just a terrible coach. The Saints have quit on him now for four straight seasons -- he's coming up on Wayne Fontes's record. This year, everyone thinks they quit because of the hurricane after-effects, and I'm sure that played a part, there's no question. But these guys always look out undisciplined and underprepared. Always. At some point, you have to look at the coach. I know it might seem redundant because a lot of the people on this board think Haslett sucks, but I just thought that this was a pretty good quote.
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Take that Jim Haslett... That was from Page 2's Bill Simmons: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...x?name=simmons
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G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Originally Posted by Euphoria yes you can... its called execution. We lose the game at the opening kick off... don't blame 4th quater. Brooks has more fourth quater comebacks than most qb's. Bad routes some comes into play that the player/wr hasn't developed yet enough. But who job is it to make sure everyone's on the same page? For example, with the penalties in the final 5 minutes of the Jets game. Haz to simplify the play. It was less than 3 minutes and Jets were out of time outs. Keeping the clock running was more important than getting the 1st down at that point. Yeah, Haz didn't plan on his line getting a holding flag, but should have ran the play up the middle were it would have been dang near impossible for anything to go wrong.

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G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	I agree. We have enough talent (when everyone's healthy) to be a consistant playoff team. But all these 4th quarter losses, penalties, miss communications of routes and coverage, and failed 2 point, 3rd down and 4th down conversions comes down to coaching! Can't blame that on the players.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	yes you can... its called execution. We lose the game at the opening kick off... don't blame 4th quater. Brooks has more fourth quater comebacks than most qb's. Bad routes some comes into play that the player/wr hasn't developed yet enough.

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BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Simmons has attacked the Saints frequently. He has as long as I've read him. I'm not sure he's off base about it, but he likes to hammer Haslett's Saints.

11-28-2005, 07:29 PM	#7
BlackonBlack Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 30	agree. We have enough talent (when everyone's healthy) to be a consistant playoff team. But all these 4th quarter losses, penalties, miss communications of routes and coverage, and failed 2 point, 3rd down and 4th down conversions comes down to coaching! Can't blame that on the players. Honestly I don't know which team is worse Detroit are us, we both have talent up the gazooba, but can't even seem to tie our shoe-laces right. Coaching here is obvious, in Detroit??? 2 different staffs same problems, put in a new QB, same problem? With all the talent in the world you go know where without the right people in the front office.

11-29-2005, 10:43 PM	#10
APSaintsfan 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 119	It also depends on the player and the refs on what was holding. Haslet is a good guy and I think he tells his coaches and the players what to do but if they do not want to execute it right that is not his fault. If a defensive lineman knows how to play then that Offensive lineman is going to hold anyway, just habit to prevent the D from getting to his QB. Unless the OL wants the QB to get hit then it makes you wonder about the whole season from a OL stand point. All these holding calls??? Just alot of What Ifs. Even if going up the middle somebody is going to do something funking.