Defense

BlackonBlack · 11-28-2005, 05:57 PM

BonB is right, this Haslett coached team has a way of making 3rd string QB's look like Joe Montana. It's been going on for years. Remember the Lions game a few years ago? Joey Harrington looked like Steve Young on crack.

I'm telling you it's the culture of this team, which comes with coaching.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-28-2005, 06:37 PM

.. and here I thought the mods finally got rid of the forum retard...

... oh, well...

.. and a good offense with a great QB would've converted that last 3rd down to seal the game too ...so what?

Do I really have to do this all over again???

Euphoria · 11-28-2005, 07:59 PM

Whats your point... he made a point our Defense sucked do you disagree with that?

Halo · 11-28-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

Last night again showed what most have known with the exception of T-R, he subscribes to the Stevie Wonder school of vision.

I think the point Tobias is making is the thread has meaning, but it's obviously pointed at a person. BonB, your point is welcome, but lets not point people out. You can do the same thing by saying it without jumping on TR or any other member.

I'm writing this out in the open so everyone will read it and know... say what you have to say but the personal vendettas and attacks are reall getting out of hand and everyone is tired of reading it. And that goes for everyone. If you want to have it out with another member, jump in the "Ultimate Smack" forum and have at it.

Halo · 11-28-2005, 08:25 PM

BonB is right, this Haslett coached team has a way of making 3rd string QB's look like Joe Montana. It's been going on for years. Remember the Lions game a few years ago? Joey Harrington looked like Steve Young on crack.

I'm telling you it's the culture of this team, which comes with coaching.

yasoon · 11-28-2005, 11:08 PM

I'm confused.......

TheDeuce · 11-28-2005, 11:12 PM

What? I'm trying to do an accounting project which was already boggling my mind, and now I have to read this?!?!?!

Tobias-Reiper · 11-28-2005, 11:43 PM

What I meant is "here we go again"... that's what I meant...

The original post I made (Saints defense has actually played well) that broke down each game was deleted because BoB went ballistic in it...

.. I thought it was a good post, and expected debate on the merits of the analysis, not just a "the defense sucks" and "they have given this many points a game" responses...

..it seems that is ok to put down the pass defense because of the run defense.. yet it's not ok to put down the offense for putting the defense in bad situations with their league leading 28 turnovers and dismal 3rd down conversion rate...

.. I say that no team is going to win a game if the y turn the ball 5-6 times, and I get in response Panthers' stats of games they turned the ball over 5 times during 2003 (nevermind the LOST that game, further validating my point) and that Jake sucks...

.. of course, God forbid I want to be positive about the defense... oh, no.. the true fans are the ones who praise and are positive about the offense only.. now I'm South Carolina fan because of that... it's only the offense that deserves support ftom the true fans.

Well, I tried... I tried to initiate an adult discussion on the merits of each individual game...

... what's the use... I'll stick to sarcasm that goes over most folks' heads...

saintswhodi · 11-29-2005, 08:30 AM

TR, I appreciated your post dude, it was well thought out. It is unfair it got scrapped because of one consistent problem, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna change so my only suggestion is that those of us who wanna have an honest, above board convo, ignore the problem. Let him make his stupid comments, repeated spelling errors, insults, put downs, statements with no backing whatsoever, flat out lies to prove some point only he believes, etc. etc. etc. I noticed you have been more vocal on the board and moved away from simply making one liners, and it was good to see dude. Don't let one person change the way you wanna participate on the board. I guarantee right now if there was a vote of who people wanted to hear more from, you or the other guy, you'd win in a landslide. I also guarantee pretty much everyone here, with the exception of maybe two people, would vote this guy off the forum if we had a say, but we don't. So ignore it as best you can. I am guilty of falling for the BS too, so I am not trying to stand on a pulpit here. I just don't wanna see you change from the poster you had become because of one troublemaker.

yasoon · 11-29-2005, 09:44 AM

Ditto.

As you could see in the thread, I was totally prepared to discuss the defense's "averageness" and the fact that they had given us a chance to win some of the games that we had lost.

There are some very bad stats out there....17 straight qtrs giving up points, the run D, etc.... But as soon as we started a dialogue about the D actually giving us a chance to win, it got drug back to elementary school.

I'll say this...think back to the year where we didn't get in when we could have by beating carolina in the last game (was that '02 ?). We scored 6 points and let the Falcons in. If I am not mistaken, that was the first game we held the other team below 20 all year. The D has consistently given up lower point totals than they did in the past. Now, I know that I can't say that without being accused of comparing the Saints to the 85 bears, but it's a fact. The D is less porous than it used to be from a scoring standpoint. They are still avergage to below average, but they are, in my opinion, not as bad as our offense.

Keep 'em coming TR...there are those of us who want to engage in informed sports opinion. Like...Jessica Alba....would you do her? Discuss. :P

11-28-2005, 05:57 PM	#1
BlackonBlack Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 30	Defense BonB is right, this Haslett coached team has a way of making 3rd string QB's look like Joe Montana. It's been going on for years. Remember the Lions game a few years ago? Joey Harrington looked like Steve Young on crack. I'm telling you it's the culture of this team, which comes with coaching.

11-28-2005, 08:20 PM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,565 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Defense Originally Posted by BlackonBlack Last night again showed what most have known with the exception of T-R, he subscribes to the Stevie Wonder school of vision. I think the point Tobias is making is the thread has meaning, but it's obviously pointed at a person. BonB, your point is welcome, but lets not point people out. You can do the same thing by saying it without jumping on TR or any other member. I'm writing this out in the open so everyone will read it and know... say what you have to say but the personal vendettas and attacks are reall getting out of hand and everyone is tired of reading it. And that goes for everyone. If you want to have it out with another member, jump in the "Ultimate Smack" forum and have at it.

11-28-2005, 08:25 PM	#5
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,565 Blog Entries: 45	As for your point... BonB is right, this Haslett coached team has a way of making 3rd string QB's look like Joe Montana. It's been going on for years. Remember the Lions game a few years ago? Joey Harrington looked like Steve Young on crack. I'm telling you it's the culture of this team, which comes with coaching.

11-28-2005, 11:08 PM	#6
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11-28-2005, 06:37 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	.. and here I thought the mods finally got rid of the forum retard... ... oh, well... .. and a good offense with a great QB would've converted that last 3rd down to seal the game too ...so what? Do I really have to do this all over again???

11-28-2005, 07:59 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Whats your point... he made a point our Defense sucked do you disagree with that?

11-28-2005, 11:43 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	What I meant is "here we go again"... that's what I meant... The original post I made (Saints defense has actually played well) that broke down each game was deleted because BoB went ballistic in it... .. I thought it was a good post, and expected debate on the merits of the analysis, not just a "the defense sucks" and "they have given this many points a game" responses... ..it seems that is ok to put down the pass defense because of the run defense.. yet it's not ok to put down the offense for putting the defense in bad situations with their league leading 28 turnovers and dismal 3rd down conversion rate... .. I say that no team is going to win a game if the y turn the ball 5-6 times, and I get in response Panthers' stats of games they turned the ball over 5 times during 2003 (nevermind the LOST that game, further validating my point) and that Jake sucks... .. of course, God forbid I want to be positive about the defense... oh, no.. the true fans are the ones who praise and are positive about the offense only.. now I'm South Carolina fan because of that... it's only the offense that deserves support ftom the true fans. Well, I tried... I tried to initiate an adult discussion on the merits of each individual game... ... what's the use... I'll stick to sarcasm that goes over most folks' heads...
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11-29-2005, 08:30 AM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	TR, I appreciated your post dude, it was well thought out. It is unfair it got scrapped because of one consistent problem, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna change so my only suggestion is that those of us who wanna have an honest, above board convo, ignore the problem. Let him make his stupid comments, repeated spelling errors, insults, put downs, statements with no backing whatsoever, flat out lies to prove some point only he believes, etc. etc. etc. I noticed you have been more vocal on the board and moved away from simply making one liners, and it was good to see dude. Don't let one person change the way you wanna participate on the board. I guarantee right now if there was a vote of who people wanted to hear more from, you or the other guy, you'd win in a landslide. I also guarantee pretty much everyone here, with the exception of maybe two people, would vote this guy off the forum if we had a say, but we don't. So ignore it as best you can. I am guilty of falling for the BS too, so I am not trying to stand on a pulpit here. I just don't wanna see you change from the poster you had become because of one troublemaker.

11-29-2005, 09:44 AM	#10
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Ditto. As you could see in the thread, I was totally prepared to discuss the defense's "averageness" and the fact that they had given us a chance to win some of the games that we had lost. There are some very bad stats out there....17 straight qtrs giving up points, the run D, etc.... But as soon as we started a dialogue about the D actually giving us a chance to win, it got drug back to elementary school. I'll say this...think back to the year where we didn't get in when we could have by beating carolina in the last game (was that '02 ?). We scored 6 points and let the Falcons in. If I am not mistaken, that was the first game we held the other team below 20 all year. The D has consistently given up lower point totals than they did in the past. Now, I know that I can't say that without being accused of comparing the Saints to the 85 bears, but it's a fact. The D is less porous than it used to be from a scoring standpoint. They are still avergage to below average, but they are, in my opinion, not as bad as our offense. Keep 'em coming TR...there are those of us who want to engage in informed sports opinion. Like...Jessica Alba....would you do her? Discuss. :P
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