qb, i'm curious.........

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 10:18 AM

Brady has had some excellent and durable RB's to hand the ball to over 45% of the time.

Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk? Excellent and durable? Agree to diagree.
What about McNabb? No running game ever in Philly.
What about LT and the 4-12 Chargers with crap QBs, when LT was gaining 1500 yards and catching 100 balls?

The only thing that makes a qb good enough to develop into a Brady is the threat that someone else on your team will beat you worse than him;

NE had noone with that threat. Not until they got Corey Dillon. Great QBs are great QBs. period.

I'll just agree to disagree, and will welcome you back on the Deuce bandwagon, and onto the Leinart bandwagon, with both are ready to go.

xan · 12-28-2005, 10:41 AM

Living as I do in the Northeast, I've had the miserable pleasure of watching the Eagles each weekend plus the Patriots most every weekend. The Eagles have had several fantastic running backs and one of the strongest running games, including most recently Brian Westbrook (who's a threat all over the field) because there were no wideouts worth throwing to there (until TO). Antawain Smith has looked better than Deuce and ran for almost as many yards as Deuce with NE; Cory Dillon was only slightly more effective than Antawain last year (many analysts have said that Dillon was not an upgrade). All I know about the Charger is that the Chargers' D was miserable (worse than the Saints, even), which accounts for their 4-12 seasons with LT.

I'm on the bandwagon of bringing buzz and people into the Dome to show that the franchise is viable in NO. Next year will be a losing season no matter what, so I'm for getting the most exciting player in the draft and hyping the hell out of him to sell tickets. Otherwise there won't be much to cheer about after next season. Chicago flocked to see Jordan though the Bulls sucked for 3 years, I'd bet the Gulf would flock to see Bush. The only monkey wrench is that Benson won't do SQUAT to market in the Gulf no matter who we draft.

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 11:00 AM

I'd bet they'd flock to see Leinart too, especially for how long many of them have been tired of Aaron Brooks. Franchise QBs will always outdraw franchise RBs. Always.

The Eagles have had several fantastic running backs and one of the strongest running games, including most recently Brian Westbrook (who's a threat all over the field) because there were no wideouts worth throwing to there (until TO).

Last year the Eagles were 24th in rushing. Made the superbowl.
Year before the Pats were 27th, won the Superbowl.

Antawain Smith has looked better than Deuce and ran for almost as many yards as Deuce with NE;

I don't know where to begin with how false that is. Deuce didn't become our starter until what, 2002? He had 1300 yards. Following year, 1600. After getting hurt, still had 1000 last year. Smith's best season EVER was 1157 yards. As a matter of fact, in 4 1/2 years, Deuce is only 2300 yards behind Smith, who has played for 9 years. That's COUNTING Deuce not playing when he was a rookie, and getting hurt for the year this year.

Cory Dillon was only slightly more effective than Antawain last year (many analysts have said that Dillon was not an upgrade).

Sure, if you consider slightly better 1635 yards and 12 Tds as opposed to 642 yards and 3 TDs, which was Smith's last yea with NE, when they won the Superbowl. 1000 more yards and 9 more TDs is only "slightly" better? Harsh standards.

All I know about the Charger is that the Chargers' D was miserable (worse than the Saints, even), which accounts for their 4-12 seasons with LT.

They weren't worse than the Saints. We were dead last in total yards last year. But, I thought all they needed was a great RB.and that would be enough. But they were 5-11 in 2001 with LT, and they had the 10th ranked defense. Go with Leinart.

ScottBalot · 12-28-2005, 11:02 AM

Before anyone gets too excited about Reggie Bush, just take a look at Barry Sanders' career. He was a one of a kind back, that never played with a decent quarterback and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs. There have been 39 Super Bowls, or 78 starting quarterbacks. Exactly 39 or 50% of the starting quarterbacks for Super Bowl teams have been first round picks. The Saints have drafted one quarterback in the first round (not counting Dave Wilson in the supplemental draft) in the franchise's history. Maybe it's time to draft a second.

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 11:04 AM

I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except:

and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs.

The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course.

BlackandBlue · 12-28-2005, 11:09 AM

and people wonder why he retired early.

ScottBalot · 12-28-2005, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except:

and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs.

The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course.

That's right, I stand corrected.

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ScottBalot

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except:

and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs.

The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course.

That's right, I stand corrected.

It's all good. Hell, I was making the Barry point a few posts back myself:

How many titles did Barry Sanders win for the Lions? To me he is the best back ever.

That's a prime example of having a great RB, one of the greatest ever as a matter of fact, and continued poor QB play over the course of almost a decade dooming that great RB. Leinart is the choice. We need this.

Euphoria · 12-28-2005, 11:43 AM

I think modeling ourselves either after the Bronco's or Patriots, we need to start upfront. Brady is nothing without that line. Denver you can put any rusher behind that line and they are going to do very well. They won Superbowl yeah yeah Elway but still nothing without that line. They have also remained competitive with the 'rebuilding' since Elway because the line.

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 11:48 AM

That's what FA is for, building the line. I'd rather take a FA offensive lineman than a rookie one anyway in most cases. So we get a good LT in FA, keep LeCharles, and draft Leinart. What's the problem?

12-28-2005, 10:18 AM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Brady has had some excellent and durable RB's to hand the ball to over 45% of the time. Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk? Excellent and durable? Agree to diagree. What about McNabb? No running game ever in Philly. What about LT and the 4-12 Chargers with crap QBs, when LT was gaining 1500 yards and catching 100 balls? The only thing that makes a qb good enough to develop into a Brady is the threat that someone else on your team will beat you worse than him; NE had noone with that threat. Not until they got Corey Dillon. Great QBs are great QBs. period. I'll just agree to disagree, and will welcome you back on the Deuce bandwagon, and onto the Leinart bandwagon, with both are ready to go.

12-28-2005, 11:00 AM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'd bet they'd flock to see Leinart too, especially for how long many of them have been tired of Aaron Brooks. Franchise QBs will always outdraw franchise RBs. Always. The Eagles have had several fantastic running backs and one of the strongest running games, including most recently Brian Westbrook (who's a threat all over the field) because there were no wideouts worth throwing to there (until TO). Last year the Eagles were 24th in rushing. Made the superbowl. Year before the Pats were 27th, won the Superbowl. Antawain Smith has looked better than Deuce and ran for almost as many yards as Deuce with NE; I don't know where to begin with how false that is. Deuce didn't become our starter until what, 2002? He had 1300 yards. Following year, 1600. After getting hurt, still had 1000 last year. Smith's best season EVER was 1157 yards. As a matter of fact, in 4 1/2 years, Deuce is only 2300 yards behind Smith, who has played for 9 years. That's COUNTING Deuce not playing when he was a rookie, and getting hurt for the year this year. Cory Dillon was only slightly more effective than Antawain last year (many analysts have said that Dillon was not an upgrade). Sure, if you consider slightly better 1635 yards and 12 Tds as opposed to 642 yards and 3 TDs, which was Smith's last yea with NE, when they won the Superbowl. 1000 more yards and 9 more TDs is only "slightly" better? Harsh standards. All I know about the Charger is that the Chargers' D was miserable (worse than the Saints, even), which accounts for their 4-12 seasons with LT. They weren't worse than the Saints. We were dead last in total yards last year. But, I thought all they needed was a great RB.and that would be enough. But they were 5-11 in 2001 with LT, and they had the 10th ranked defense. Go with Leinart.

12-28-2005, 11:02 AM	#24
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Before anyone gets too excited about Reggie Bush, just take a look at Barry Sanders' career. He was a one of a kind back, that never played with a decent quarterback and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs. There have been 39 Super Bowls, or 78 starting quarterbacks. Exactly 39 or 50% of the starting quarterbacks for Super Bowl teams have been first round picks. The Saints have drafted one quarterback in the first round (not counting Dave Wilson in the supplemental draft) in the franchise's history. Maybe it's time to draft a second.
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12-28-2005, 11:04 AM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except: and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs. The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course.

12-28-2005, 11:20 AM	#27
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by saintswhodi I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except: and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs. The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course. That's right, I stand corrected.
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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	Living as I do in the Northeast, I've had the miserable pleasure of watching the Eagles each weekend plus the Patriots most every weekend. The Eagles have had several fantastic running backs and one of the strongest running games, including most recently Brian Westbrook (who's a threat all over the field) because there were no wideouts worth throwing to there (until TO). Antawain Smith has looked better than Deuce and ran for almost as many yards as Deuce with NE; Cory Dillon was only slightly more effective than Antawain last year (many analysts have said that Dillon was not an upgrade). All I know about the Charger is that the Chargers' D was miserable (worse than the Saints, even), which accounts for their 4-12 seasons with LT. I'm on the bandwagon of bringing buzz and people into the Dome to show that the franchise is viable in NO. Next year will be a losing season no matter what, so I'm for getting the most exciting player in the draft and hyping the hell out of him to sell tickets. Otherwise there won't be much to cheer about after next season. Chicago flocked to see Jordan though the Bulls sucked for 3 years, I'd bet the Gulf would flock to see Bush. The only monkey wrench is that Benson won't do SQUAT to market in the Gulf no matter who we draft.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by ScottBalot Originally Posted by saintswhodi I agree with everything you said, compeltely, except: and could never carry the franchise past the first round of the playoffs. The Lions did make an NFC Champ game with Barry, and they lost of course. That's right, I stand corrected. It's all good. Hell, I was making the Barry point a few posts back myself: How many titles did Barry Sanders win for the Lions? To me he is the best back ever. That's a prime example of having a great RB, one of the greatest ever as a matter of fact, and continued poor QB play over the course of almost a decade dooming that great RB. Leinart is the choice. We need this.

12-28-2005, 11:43 AM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I think modeling ourselves either after the Bronco's or Patriots, we need to start upfront. Brady is nothing without that line. Denver you can put any rusher behind that line and they are going to do very well. They won Superbowl yeah yeah Elway but still nothing without that line. They have also remained competitive with the 'rebuilding' since Elway because the line.

12-28-2005, 11:48 AM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	That's what FA is for, building the line. I'd rather take a FA offensive lineman than a rookie one anyway in most cases. So we get a good LT in FA, keep LeCharles, and draft Leinart. What's the problem?