qb, i'm curious.........

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 12:51 PM

I also think the line would be better if we had decent coaches. Lastly, how many times has Bouman been sacked since he started? Far less than Brooks. The line will be fine once they get someone they actually want to block for behind them.

jrmllb · 12-28-2005, 01:07 PM

If Leinart is there I say take him, If D'angelo Williams is there and Leinart and Bush are not I say take Williams, Trade AB dump Bouman and get two more qb's in camp for some real competition with A-Mac

Competition qb's should be young and hungry to play, ie Rivers, Kingsbury, Jay Cutler (2nd or third round draft), Brad Smith out of Mizzou (Late round draft pick), Mauck, Nall, David Green, etc.

I am not sure hom many quality veteran qb's are going to be out there in the market...Does anyone know who will be available?

ssmitty · 12-28-2005, 06:55 PM

less ye all forget, this is the saints drafting.....................sigh........................
i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is.................
whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli...........
i mean really, what was brady, a fifth? who'd a ever thunk?
but, hats off to all that say it starts up front...............we do need that line.........
now, in all superbowls, if you go by statistics, how did the defense rank?
there again, where do we start?
anyway, i am still curious as to hear more fans state their opinions about duece.....
oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? smitty

saintswhodi · 12-28-2005, 08:54 PM

i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is..

Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all.........

whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli.....

Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact.

oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first?

Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league.

D_it_up · 12-28-2005, 10:42 PM

I'm truly at a loss for words after reading this entire post. Sure, Deuce has had some injury problems the last two seasons. Sure, his durability may be a question mark. Sure, he hasn't put up the numbers that we were all hoping he would. I can see where we all are frustrated by that. There is no reason to just toss him to the side like yesterdays garbage, though. When Deuce was running for what? 8 or 9 straight 100 yard games were any of you wanting him gone? No...EVERYONE was on the Deucewagon. The only people who weren't were people who were too busy defending that numbskull Brooks. So if Deuce committed a fumble, then they were all over him. Everyone else was quick to defend Deuce. Me included. I'm here again to do the same. I'm glad they signed Deuce to an extension. I'm glad he'll be a Saint for years to come, barring trade, of course. To draft Reggie Bush would only be for ONE REASON......to turn right around and trade HIM. It would be an idiotic move by the organization (though it wouldn't surprise me). Whodi hit the nail on the head by saying that if we draft Bush, then we tie up money into ONE POSITION and have no money left to improve the team where it really needs it. Keep Deuce. Draft Leinart. 'Nuff said.

ssmitty · 12-29-2005, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is..

Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all.........

whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli.....

Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact.

oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first?

Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league.

i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no.
those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in.
if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........
here is the scenerio i think may happen........
1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards......
2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it.....
and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again.
3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go?

remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet..............
and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........

scary? smitty

ScottBalot · 12-29-2005, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by ssmitty

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is..

Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all.........

whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli.....

Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact.

oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first?

Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league.

i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no.
those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in.
if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........
here is the scenerio i think may happen........
1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards......
2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it.....
and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again.
3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go?

remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet..............
and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........

scary? smitty

Here's something to think about, if Haslett quits/gets fired next week, it would be in his best interest to hire someone good/capable, and draft someone worthy because the San Antonio situation still won't be resolved. And it is in his best interest to get this team back on a winning track in case he does get the ok to move, because he is going to have to sell tickets in Texas, and I think he realizes that just showing up in Texas isn't going to guarantee that people will show up and be ready to pay full price for tickets for a losing team.

ssmitty · 12-29-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by ScottBalot

Originally Posted by ssmitty

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is..

Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all.........

whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli.....

Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact.

oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first?

Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league.

i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no.
those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in.
if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........
here is the scenerio i think may happen........
1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards......
2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it.....
and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again.
3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go?

remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet..............
and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........

scary? smitty

Here's something to think about, if Haslett quits/gets fired next week, it would be in his best interest to hire someone good/capable, and draft someone worthy because the San Antonio situation still won't be resolved. And it is in his best interest to get this team back on a winning track in case he does get the ok to move, because he is going to have to sell tickets in Texas, and I think he realizes that just showing up in Texas isn't going to guarantee that people will show up and be ready to pay full price for tickets for a losing team.

i'd agree with that except for one thing, san an is supporting the losers now......and will continue as we did for 40 yrs if they did move...........win or lose as i do.............smitty

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12-28-2005, 06:55 PM	#33
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	less ye all forget, this is the saints drafting.....................sigh........................ i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is................. whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli........... i mean really, what was brady, a fifth? who'd a ever thunk? but, hats off to all that say it starts up front...............we do need that line......... now, in all superbowls, if you go by statistics, how did the defense rank? there again, where do we start? anyway, i am still curious as to hear more fans state their opinions about duece..... oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? smitty
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12-28-2005, 08:54 PM	#34
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is.. Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all......... whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli..... Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact. oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league.

12-28-2005, 10:42 PM	#35
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12-29-2005, 06:57 AM	#36
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Originally Posted by saintswhodi i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is.. Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all......... whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli..... Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact. oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league. i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no. those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in. if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........ here is the scenerio i think may happen........ 1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards...... 2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it..... and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again. 3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go? remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet.............. and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........ scary? smitty
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12-29-2005, 09:44 AM	#37
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by ssmitty Originally Posted by saintswhodi i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is.. Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all......... whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli..... Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact. oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league. i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no. those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in. if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........ here is the scenerio i think may happen........ 1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards...... 2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it..... and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again. 3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go? remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet.............. and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........ scary? smitty Here's something to think about, if Haslett quits/gets fired next week, it would be in his best interest to hire someone good/capable, and draft someone worthy because the San Antonio situation still won't be resolved. And it is in his best interest to get this team back on a winning track in case he does get the ok to move, because he is going to have to sell tickets in Texas, and I think he realizes that just showing up in Texas isn't going to guarantee that people will show up and be ready to pay full price for tickets for a losing team.
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12-29-2005, 04:21 PM	#38
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Originally Posted by ScottBalot Originally Posted by ssmitty Originally Posted by saintswhodi i'd still take eli for brooks, duece, and whatever our draft pick is.. Glad you're not in the front office. Yikes. I like Eli and all......... whoodi, when you compare leinart to brady, (in a matter of speaking) well, i'll trade for brady over eli..... Didn't really compare him, just making the point it does not take 3-5 years for a young QB to make an impact. oh, and whoodi, care to make a friendly wager as to who will be taken first? Hmm, there is already a consensus on who is the number one pick, except if we get number one. So if we have the first pick, I will gladly make that wager. Other than that, just about anyone else would take Bush, what is there to bet on? If a DE was rated the number one overall player, and we didn't need it, which we don't, would you suggest we take one of those again? Would that make a lot of sense? No? Neither does taking another RB after you have just made yours one of the highest paid players in the league. i'm just saying plain and simple if leinart is there when we draft, i don't think the saints go that route. while we probably should start over at scratch with a possibly qb of the future the picture is cloudy at best in no. those that don't like benson now, really may want his head come draft time with the crap he could stir.........if haz is indeed gone, who knows what new puppet benson will bring in. if you remember when haz was being interviewed about the benching of brooks, he made sure to mention that benson was informed of this. i'm guessing contract wise, this was a must and haz was covering........after all, we have witnessed what happens to those that don't follow bensons rules........ here is the scenerio i think may happen........ 1) come the end of the season, benson may try to offer haz a different contract coming off a 3 or 4 -13-12 season......after all, it is about money and not winning in no......and once again, benson holds the cards...... 2) brooks may be offered to rework his contract to the advantage of the payroll dept while the saints try and figure out what went wrong and how to correct it..... and with this scenerio, figure this, brooks has had time to cool off a bit and may be willing to do it provided he has the chance to compete and win the starting job again. 3) if either one or two happens, which direction do you think the saints will go? remember this, though most want haz and brooks gone, they are'nt.........yet.............. and, if after the last game, benson does not do the sweep immediately, we may see at least haz back again next season where ever the saints are........ scary? smitty Here's something to think about, if Haslett quits/gets fired next week, it would be in his best interest to hire someone good/capable, and draft someone worthy because the San Antonio situation still won't be resolved. And it is in his best interest to get this team back on a winning track in case he does get the ok to move, because he is going to have to sell tickets in Texas, and I think he realizes that just showing up in Texas isn't going to guarantee that people will show up and be ready to pay full price for tickets for a losing team. i'd agree with that except for one thing, san an is supporting the losers now......and will continue as we did for 40 yrs if they did move...........win or lose as i do.............smitty
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