Hey Joe I agree with ya just trying to make a point.

can not take a thing from tiki he has been my fantasy back 3 years straight. But without the D they would have been put in the situation of dumping the run and going to the pass. hmmm sounds ghostly huh. Giants D was my second string D in fantasy for 2 years. My league is wierd

The Gmen D has been solid. If not for Aleander's crazy year Tiki hands down MVP

His big brother didn't win a playoff games at first either, give him a chance, this guy I feel will be special.

I know he will was only trying to make a point.

with out the D eli would not be were he is today because tiki was still apart of the game plan throughout the year.

I don't Eli looked pretty bad next to a QB that was never drafted.
And besides, the whole "If I can't play for who I want, then I'm not gonna play at all" BS left a bad taste in the mouths of alot of people. He doesn't have half of the class of either his father or brother, nor as much talent as either. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that he isn't good. All I'm saying is he isn't as good.

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the guy is in his 2nd season n the NFL and u expect him to be as good as payton is alraedy!?! geez give the guy some time....

Whatever your opinion of his abilities, you have to admit that it was a fairly classless thing to not play for the team that drafted you. Peyton and Archie were both drafted by terrible teams, but they had the class to play for them anyway.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Tiki finish 4th in the MVP voting?