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Alot of blame rests on the players, coaching, and the front office.

OL : How do you let Willie go? We now have no unit on the field: 2 styles of blockers won't work. Either go Zone or go mobility. Grandy, and Mayberry are not cutting it. Keep Bentley at all cost he is a perinal pro bowler at G or C. Need to get a veteran C (perfered) that can pull and move Bentley back to G or Draft/FA a starting gaurd and give Bentley help. There are more than one good G OT in this year's draftthat can be had in round 2. Gandy is better of as a back up T. Mayberry I have no idea for the $$$ he gets. Can Brown play on the left?

WR & TE : Drops, drops, drops! Blocking Blocking Blocking! ROUTE RUNNING! No real blockers in the group. There are signs of hope in Zack and well Joe is Joe. After that I see alot of hype. We Need LUNCH PAIL MENTALITY HERE THAT TAKES PRIDE IN DOING BOTH. Dump the dead wood here. Is Boo among that group? Is Meier a good fit or another IR squad main stay? Erine is the mentor and maybe a better coach. Can Donte and Herderson be relied on not to drop passes and run good routes? Draft has a few that can be had late day 1. F/A cost to much for TOM.

RB : Offensive Coorinadtor that can use Duce, Stecker and Karney properly. Each year the coaches have changed skills on the line and gone away from Duce's skills. Traps, cut backs, and a bit of smash mouth are Duces style. Stecker is a great change of pace but thrives in the same basic style of blocking scheme. Karney is a bull dozer but you can't block everyone out of the hole. He has running skills and catches well enough. But is not used enough. We had the best 2/3 TB than we have had in a long time. By the way, behind by 14 you do panic and not give up on the run in first 3 Qrts.

QB : AB we know hears foot steps on every play. Line problems again? Stick'em would not hurt as would a personality change. Chew some people out once in awhile. Keep AB? I would love to see him under a new coach. But can I take that smile another year? grrr But I also love seeing the QB's (2) we have let go do good elsewhere while Mickey sticks with his guy. But can we afford to redo the OL and QB at the same time? I say no. I do not think he will ever be a mental champion of the game. Give him a year to prove last year was a fluke. Then see what the situation is before making a move. But a move will be needed if the Super Bowl is the goal of the Front Office.

The repeating factor is the LINE, Coaching, and Front Office.

A move down the board will only help across the board.
I have not gone DEFENSE here because that has already been beat to death here.

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I agree with you about the RB situation. Deuce, in my opinion, has not been utilized properly in the last few years. He needs a FB, he needs more trap plays, but most importantly, he needs a good passing game that can take a couple of guys out of the box and give him room to run.

About the WRs... I believe Donte showed flashes of brilliance this season. He has world-class speed and made some ridiculous catches. Not to mention I think he's one of the best in the league of making a play after the catch (TD in the JEts game?!?!?!). However, he does need to work on his hands because he does drop too many easy passes. But overall I thought he had a very good season and I think we should re-sign him. Joe is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he catches a ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards. I believe Hilton should be hands down our starting TE, but I would like to see Boo get another crack at it. I could care less about Conwell and Shad Meier (who?).

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he also needs to stay healthy

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i can say the same things about deuce... just changing a few words....

Deuce is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he runs the ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards

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^^

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That is what i ment by Joe is Joe. His contract makes him almost untouchable for at the least 3 years. Donte made shown improvement but is he worth more to us in a new contract or in the hype of how good he could be for a trade? I could waite and give him a 3 year deal for mid level $$$. Then we can see what Henderson turns into as to what we do at the end of the Donte contract. I want Hass for the reciever to give the saints hands and tuffness. With the Jr. coming out he might fall to third round. Depends on combine.
We need to fine tune the OL. Is my main point. Kearny is only going to get better as the OL becomes a unit.

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With WHITE coming out I have to add him as an option in the first if we trade down. Duce will not be as beat up though if the line performed as a unit.

Actually, Joe's contract isn't all that bad if we wanna cut him. It was one of the good things about it, that the team could cut him without screwing itself if his play declined. I didn't want him to get a new deal at all until he showed he wouldn't slow down, but I wasn't too mad when I found out how they structured it.

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according to whodi and "the deuce" we cant draft another RB... lord knows we dont need depth at a skill position with an oft. injured starter.....

How is Joe's contract structured to allow us an out before it's third year without getting burned?

Lord knows we don't need a STARTING QB, LB, DT, or CB instead of a BACKUP or at best ROTATING RB. This is getting ridiculous. What's so hard about understanding that we have holes in our STARTING lineup more pressing than our BACKUP RB needs?

well if u have been listening from the beginning... ive been saying draft young if the texans draft bush.. but if they draft young then i want us to draft bush....how hard is that....

I like Joe he just had a bad year dang next year the PRO BOWL JOE will be out Stallworth Henderson Horn whooooooo Leinart will be havin some choices i do want leinart to make Stallworth his #1 guy..

I believe the majority of Joe's money is in salary instead of bonuses. He got a nice chunk last year. It's kinda like Brooks' contract is currently. Brooks is scheduled to make 6 something mil this year, but we can cut him with about no cap hit cause it's all in salary, which isn't guaranteed, as opposed to bonuses, which we have already paid him. Joe's contract is more salary than bonus.

What do we do to improve the line? or do watch them get hammered like, Brooks and Duce, or Carr and Davis, or Brett and all the GB RB, or ect. ect.ect...
How can we get both spending that kind of $$$$$$ In the first?
Trade/cut who?
$$$$$$ for Bentley or do we loss him?
It's all nice but how do we do it with in Tommy Boys guide lines?
He wont take the butchers word for it and he is still putting his head up the bulls ass to get a look for a quality cut of beef. :moon:

So if we take a QB, take one that has been in a spread option shotgun system, which NO NFL TEAM RUNS, and wait for3 years for him to develop, with no veteranin front of him, instead of taking a QB who is NFL ready NOW.

Take a guy, who will not be able to run on NFL defenses like he did on college defenses, and who has barely ever taken a snap from under center? Christ almighty I am glad you don't hold a front office position with this team.

Thanks Whodi. that does make me feel a bit warm and fuzzy.
sorry just a stray head rush

hey whodi Sounds like he does work in the front office to me

You're not going to fix the O line with one pick. You take Young if he falls to 2 or Bush then you address the line and WR along with the D. Fellas you have 2 options here 1. REBUILD drafting Young means you are rebuilding and honestly that is EXACTLY what we need. 2. Getting Bush means keeping brooks and Deuce and revamping the line and D.

Y not? the rest of our team isnt "NFL ready" half these guys should be out the league... our oline is terrible.. our Dline cant stop the run, our LBs suck all the way around, our WRs cant catch, our RB cant hit the hole. but hell lets take a qb who is ready now cuz u say so.....

LMAO!!! Nice.

So you can rebuild with Young, but not with Leinart, who is more NFL ready? Thanks for playing.

I don't say so, every scout, analyst, and media guy who has ever seen him play says so. This is what I mean about getting a clue. If you take your blinders off, and read what people say about the guy, instead of just rejecting everything, maybe you can be partially informed. So your answer for an undisciplined team with half the players not "NFL ready" in your own words, is to take ANOTHER not NFL ready player? Do you read this stuff before you post it? Youcan't.

Why is everyone here so gun hoo on one pick in round 1,2 ? did I miss Something? Are we in the playoffs next year and not have a good pick in next year's draft? We will have home field advantage all of next year? Come on. we will not do great next year. But we may not be sitting at 2 with so much control next year. I think 4 good players on day one will benifit us more in the long run than 1 great and 1 good and call it a day. tell me how we can do it. with just 2 picks unless we are going to accept a 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and at the least one more coaching change. Benson will not open the wallet to avoid it.

From the beginning of what? Maybe another thread? I have other things to do in my life so I don't spend my entire day reading the site (even though I wouldn't mind doing so). In this thread you have said nothing about Vince Young, the Texans, or anything else besides how badly Deuce sucks. It's hard for me to understand it when you start talking about a point made in a completely different thread. How hard is that?

I wouldn't draft Leinart. I think there are better players than he is and its worth trading down if you can't get Young.

im sorry for not repeating myself over and over again in every single thread....

as a moderator i dont have time to read every single thread either but i do glance over everyone... to make sure things stay in check....

Omar Jacobs, QB Bowling Green
Projected: 2nd round
Good or bad move? There was talk before the season of Jacobs being on the verge of being a better pro prospect than Matt Leinart. He was dinged up and didn't put up the numbers he did in 2004, but he still rocked when healthy. He needs work on his throwing motion and the scouts have cooled on his overall skills, but he's accurate enough to get at least a few offensive coordinators excited about his potential

This is actually everything i've been trying to say.

Picking Leinart wouldn't be a bad option. I just don't think it would be the BEST option. Yes Leinart will eventually be good but he won't even put up better numbers than AB next season, realistically speaking. And calm down, that doesn't mean i think we should keep AB.

And if we were to get Leinart, we'd have to get the guy some help. We need a decent tight end and a top flight reciever, like Eric Moulds. I won't even mention the other guy because some folks may have a conniption. What we have now isn't adequate, especially for a rookie QB that has a steep learning curve ahead of him. He may be "NFL ready" but everyone will be learning a new scheme this year, which will make the growing pains worse.

I can go for that only if we trade back in round one for extra picks and if Young isn't there with the second pick.

...speaking of drafting a RB, didn't the Saints draft Dulymus when Ricky Williams was on the roster?

... and no hindsight allowed, i.e., RW quitting football. That was 3 years after the fact.

Isn't there a SLIGHT monetary difference in drafting a RB at #2 as opposed to # 26 or 23 or wherever deuce went? Could be.....................

Didn't Ricky have the worst contract ever negotiated for a football player that was done by Master P? I am 1000000000000% certain he did not just sign a 50 million dollar contract extension. The situations are barely similar.

Who's talking about monetary difference?
I'm talking about drafting a position that's apparently already filled. The fact is that RW was hurt 2 seasons on a row before Deuce was drafted, and there were questions about RW's durability. Now, Deuce has been hurt 2 seasons on a row as well, and there are questions about McAllister's durability, so both situations are much more similar than you think, money notwithstanding...

Money notwithstanding? In what world? Let me know when they do away with the cap will ya TR? Then we'll discuss fantasy football moves.

Ricky was drafted #5. Deuce was drafted #21 i believe. That does make an interesting point in that we thought Ricky was gonna be our franchise back for years back then....and then Deuce got drafted.

Deuce was taken 23rd. Anyone wanna guess how many tens of millions of dollars difference that is compared to a back taken number two, to go with a back who just signed a 50 million dollar making him untradeable extension? Like I said, until they do away with the cap, let's stay away from fantasy football.

The one thing interesting about it was that it was Mueller who got rid of Ricky, causing him to be promptly fired for not informing Benson. I find it very hard to believe a new coach is gonna wanna come in and handcuff himself by taking a player at a position where there is barely a need, and tie up about 80-100 million dollars in RB. Why does that dound like a good idea to anyone?

So they traded Ricky and saved money and at #23 they replaced him. not in that order. Hey could that tell us something about spending big bucks here?

Actually, they signed him to the worst contract in NFL history(almost completely incentive based), causing him to have a minimal cap charge, they then drafted Deuce 23rd, let him sit almost the whole year except towards the end, then traded Ricky and his joke contract, again, cause of there barely being a cap hit. If we had signed Deuce to a similar joke contract, this might be understandable. But two untradeable players at the same position? How much sense does that make?