Correcting the offense

hagan714 · 01-11-2006, 11:09 AM

Alot of blame rests on the players, coaching, and the front office.

OL : How do you let Willie go? We now have no unit on the field: 2 styles of blockers won't work. Either go Zone or go mobility. Grandy, and Mayberry are not cutting it. Keep Bentley at all cost he is a perinal pro bowler at G or C. Need to get a veteran C (perfered) that can pull and move Bentley back to G or Draft/FA a starting gaurd and give Bentley help. There are more than one good G OT in this year's draftthat can be had in round 2. Gandy is better of as a back up T. Mayberry I have no idea for the $$$ he gets. Can Brown play on the left?

WR & TE : Drops, drops, drops! Blocking Blocking Blocking! ROUTE RUNNING! No real blockers in the group. There are signs of hope in Zack and well Joe is Joe. After that I see alot of hype. We Need LUNCH PAIL MENTALITY HERE THAT TAKES PRIDE IN DOING BOTH. Dump the dead wood here. Is Boo among that group? Is Meier a good fit or another IR squad main stay? Erine is the mentor and maybe a better coach. Can Donte and Herderson be relied on not to drop passes and run good routes? Draft has a few that can be had late day 1. F/A cost to much for TOM.

RB : Offensive Coorinadtor that can use Duce, Stecker and Karney properly. Each year the coaches have changed skills on the line and gone away from Duce's skills. Traps, cut backs, and a bit of smash mouth are Duces style. Stecker is a great change of pace but thrives in the same basic style of blocking scheme. Karney is a bull dozer but you can't block everyone out of the hole. He has running skills and catches well enough. But is not used enough. We had the best 2/3 TB than we have had in a long time. By the way, behind by 14 you do panic and not give up on the run in first 3 Qrts.

QB : AB we know hears foot steps on every play. Line problems again? Stick'em would not hurt as would a personality change. Chew some people out once in awhile. Keep AB? I would love to see him under a new coach. But can I take that smile another year? grrr But I also love seeing the QB's (2) we have let go do good elsewhere while Mickey sticks with his guy. But can we afford to redo the OL and QB at the same time? I say no. I do not think he will ever be a mental champion of the game. Give him a year to prove last year was a fluke. Then see what the situation is before making a move. But a move will be needed if the Super Bowl is the goal of the Front Office.

The repeating factor is the LINE, Coaching, and Front Office.

A move down the board will only help across the board.
I have not gone DEFENSE here because that has already been beat to death here.

TheDeuce · 01-11-2006, 11:16 AM

I agree with you about the RB situation. Deuce, in my opinion, has not been utilized properly in the last few years. He needs a FB, he needs more trap plays, but most importantly, he needs a good passing game that can take a couple of guys out of the box and give him room to run.

About the WRs... I believe Donte showed flashes of brilliance this season. He has world-class speed and made some ridiculous catches. Not to mention I think he's one of the best in the league of making a play after the catch (TD in the JEts game?!?!?!). However, he does need to work on his hands because he does drop too many easy passes. But overall I thought he had a very good season and I think we should re-sign him. Joe is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he catches a ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards. I believe Hilton should be hands down our starting TE, but I would like to see Boo get another crack at it. I could care less about Conwell and Shad Meier (who?).

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 11:19 AM

Deuce, in my opinion, has not been utilized properly in the last few years. He needs a FB, he needs more trap plays, but most importantly, he needs a good passing game that can take a couple of guys out of the box and give him room to run.

he also needs to stay healthy

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 11:21 AM

Joe is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he catches a ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards

i can say the same things about deuce... just changing a few words....

Deuce is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he runs the ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards

TheDeuce · 01-11-2006, 11:24 AM

Pak = Moderator

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 11:27 AM

^^

hagan714 · 01-11-2006, 11:30 AM

That is what i ment by Joe is Joe. His contract makes him almost untouchable for at the least 3 years. Donte made shown improvement but is he worth more to us in a new contract or in the hype of how good he could be for a trade? I could waite and give him a 3 year deal for mid level $$$. Then we can see what Henderson turns into as to what we do at the end of the Donte contract. I want Hass for the reciever to give the saints hands and tuffness. With the Jr. coming out he might fall to third round. Depends on combine.
We need to fine tune the OL. Is my main point. Kearny is only going to get better as the OL becomes a unit.

hagan714 · 01-11-2006, 11:33 AM

With WHITE coming out I have to add him as an option in the first if we trade down. Duce will not be as beat up though if the line performed as a unit.

saintswhodi · 01-11-2006, 11:33 AM

Actually, Joe's contract isn't all that bad if we wanna cut him. It was one of the good things about it, that the team could cut him without screwing itself if his play declined. I didn't want him to get a new deal at all until he showed he wouldn't slow down, but I wasn't too mad when I found out how they structured it.

pakowitz · 01-11-2006, 11:35 AM

according to whodi and "the deuce" we cant draft another RB... lord knows we dont need depth at a skill position with an oft. injured starter.....

01-11-2006, 11:09 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Correcting the offense Alot of blame rests on the players, coaching, and the front office. OL : How do you let Willie go? We now have no unit on the field: 2 styles of blockers won't work. Either go Zone or go mobility. Grandy, and Mayberry are not cutting it. Keep Bentley at all cost he is a perinal pro bowler at G or C. Need to get a veteran C (perfered) that can pull and move Bentley back to G or Draft/FA a starting gaurd and give Bentley help. There are more than one good G OT in this year's draftthat can be had in round 2. Gandy is better of as a back up T. Mayberry I have no idea for the $$$ he gets. Can Brown play on the left? WR & TE : Drops, drops, drops! Blocking Blocking Blocking! ROUTE RUNNING! No real blockers in the group. There are signs of hope in Zack and well Joe is Joe. After that I see alot of hype. We Need LUNCH PAIL MENTALITY HERE THAT TAKES PRIDE IN DOING BOTH. Dump the dead wood here. Is Boo among that group? Is Meier a good fit or another IR squad main stay? Erine is the mentor and maybe a better coach. Can Donte and Herderson be relied on not to drop passes and run good routes? Draft has a few that can be had late day 1. F/A cost to much for TOM. RB : Offensive Coorinadtor that can use Duce, Stecker and Karney properly. Each year the coaches have changed skills on the line and gone away from Duce's skills. Traps, cut backs, and a bit of smash mouth are Duces style. Stecker is a great change of pace but thrives in the same basic style of blocking scheme. Karney is a bull dozer but you can't block everyone out of the hole. He has running skills and catches well enough. But is not used enough. We had the best 2/3 TB than we have had in a long time. By the way, behind by 14 you do panic and not give up on the run in first 3 Qrts. QB : AB we know hears foot steps on every play. Line problems again? Stick'em would not hurt as would a personality change. Chew some people out once in awhile. Keep AB? I would love to see him under a new coach. But can I take that smile another year? grrr But I also love seeing the QB's (2) we have let go do good elsewhere while Mickey sticks with his guy. But can we afford to redo the OL and QB at the same time? I say no. I do not think he will ever be a mental champion of the game. Give him a year to prove last year was a fluke. Then see what the situation is before making a move. But a move will be needed if the Super Bowl is the goal of the Front Office. The repeating factor is the LINE, Coaching, and Front Office. A move down the board will only help across the board. I have not gone DEFENSE here because that has already been beat to death here.

01-11-2006, 11:16 AM	#2
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Correcting the offense I agree with you about the RB situation. Deuce, in my opinion, has not been utilized properly in the last few years. He needs a FB, he needs more trap plays, but most importantly, he needs a good passing game that can take a couple of guys out of the box and give him room to run. About the WRs... I believe Donte showed flashes of brilliance this season. He has world-class speed and made some ridiculous catches. Not to mention I think he's one of the best in the league of making a play after the catch (TD in the JEts game?!?!?!). However, he does need to work on his hands because he does drop too many easy passes. But overall I thought he had a very good season and I think we should re-sign him. Joe is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he catches a ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards. I believe Hilton should be hands down our starting TE, but I would like to see Boo get another crack at it. I could care less about Conwell and Shad Meier (who?).
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01-11-2006, 11:19 AM	#3
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Correcting the offense Deuce, in my opinion, has not been utilized properly in the last few years. He needs a FB, he needs more trap plays, but most importantly, he needs a good passing game that can take a couple of guys out of the box and give him room to run. he also needs to stay healthy

01-11-2006, 11:21 AM	#4
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Correcting the offense Joe is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he catches a ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards i can say the same things about deuce... just changing a few words.... Deuce is a different story. I'm pissed now that we signed him to a long-term deal. He can't stay healthy, and when he does, he just isn't the same player he was the year before. He drops balls, he's not as explosive, and everytime he runs the ball he just dives to the ground instead of trying to pick up extra yards

01-11-2006, 11:24 AM	#5
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01-11-2006, 11:27 AM	#6
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Correcting the offense ^^

01-11-2006, 11:30 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: Correcting the offense That is what i ment by Joe is Joe. His contract makes him almost untouchable for at the least 3 years. Donte made shown improvement but is he worth more to us in a new contract or in the hype of how good he could be for a trade? I could waite and give him a 3 year deal for mid level $$$. Then we can see what Henderson turns into as to what we do at the end of the Donte contract. I want Hass for the reciever to give the saints hands and tuffness. With the Jr. coming out he might fall to third round. Depends on combine. We need to fine tune the OL. Is my main point. Kearny is only going to get better as the OL becomes a unit.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

01-11-2006, 11:33 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: Correcting the offense With WHITE coming out I have to add him as an option in the first if we trade down. Duce will not be as beat up though if the line performed as a unit.

01-11-2006, 11:33 AM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Actually, Joe's contract isn't all that bad if we wanna cut him. It was one of the good things about it, that the team could cut him without screwing itself if his play declined. I didn't want him to get a new deal at all until he showed he wouldn't slow down, but I wasn't too mad when I found out how they structured it.

01-11-2006, 11:35 AM	#10
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Correcting the offense according to whodi and "the deuce" we cant draft another RB... lord knows we dont need depth at a skill position with an oft. injured starter.....