Why pick a qb?

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 03:51 PM

So when would it be a right time to draft a quarterback?

First pick in the second round. Jacobs and a few others will be available.

I've been reading alot of yall's comments, and it seems that the majority think that the saints should draft young or linehart. Don't these people realize that young and linehart will NOT play this season; and even if they do, they're aren't going to be any good. I think the saints should build up their defense, a la the bears, and get by with a veteran qb like volek from the titans, griese from the bucs, or garrard from the jags. I know we would have to trade a draft pick, but it might be worth it.

The we trade AB straight up for Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna (with a #4) or Harrington. Let the rookie learn for a year before getting killed. Pick up 2 good offensive lineman and the rest on defense, primarily at Linebacker and Defensive tackle, with maybe a wide receiver thrown in.

Winwin · 01-14-2006, 03:55 PM

Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna

is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me.

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 04:02 PM

is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me.

Any of these would come in and provide some stability to the offense. Not alot of mistakes and that's what we need an average veteran QB who doesn't make mistakes. That's what killed us last year mistakes on offense and inability to move the ball.

Winwin · 01-14-2006, 04:06 PM

Any of these would come in and provide some stability to the offense. Not alot of mistakes and that's what we need an average veteran QB who doesn't make mistakes. That's what killed us last year mistakes on offense and inability to move the ball.

and here i was thinking it was the entire team stinking up the joint, or the defense never being able to stop anybody are possibly someone coaching this team that shouldn't have been. if that the only problem is at qb, then heck just take either of the 2 qb's and trade the other picks away.

fhs623 · 01-14-2006, 04:09 PM

we can get a qb in the 2nd round...guys like dj shockley and omar jacobs will be available.....if linehart or young are busts, the saints will be back to where they are rightnow...plus given the fact that benson "lost" money this season, it worth saving a few million dollars and get a proven vet.

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 04:09 PM

and here i was thinking it was the entire team stinking up the joint, or the defense never being able to stop anybody are possibly someone coaching this team that shouldn't have been. if that the only problem is at qb, then heck just take either of the 2 qb's and trade the other picks away.

You know Win we are talking about QB's here not coaches or the rest of the team. I said nothing about the Saints not needing some coaches or anyone else on the team.

I am assuming you would keep AB? Just a thought but I think I'm right!

jergensl · 01-14-2006, 04:13 PM

we need a qb because the qb position has the greatest influence on the overall outcome on any team. it is the one position that can make or break a team. a team does not need a superstar to win, but they do need someone who can manage an offense.

the saints cannot afford to pass up on a qb that is ranked right up there with peyton manning. it may be 2 or 3 years before he completely takes over the team, but he can start right away and run the offense. the qb positon is the single most valuable position on a football team. when you need a qb and one of the most nfl ready college qbs in recent years is available you have to take him. especially when the draft is so incredibly deep at our other major need, linebacker.

gandhi1007 · 01-14-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Winwin

Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna

is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me.

Worse than Brooks? You would have to go to the Croation school for the blind & mentally retarded to find that!

Is it just me, or does this sound like a post from someone formally known as BlackOnBlack?

Winwin · 01-14-2006, 04:26 PM

I am assuming you would keep AB? Just a thought but I think I'm right

i'll be happy to answer that. if my choice doesn't include a upgrade at qb, and my next coach was someone that could get the most out of his players, stay in their butts demand perfection then the answer is yes. changing just for the sake of changing does what? nothing! if you're not changing for the better then leave it alone.

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:54 PM

First pick in the second round. Jacobs and a few others will be available.

Holy hell you people are ridculous. Look at the top passers from 2005...

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Manning QB, IND 305 453 67.3 3747 8.27 80 28 6.2 10 2.2 17.0 81 104.1
2 C. Palmer QB, CIN 345 509 67.8 3836 7.54 70 32 6.3 12 2.4 19.0 105 101.1
3 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 168 268 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 6.3 9 3.4 23.0 129 98.6
4 M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA 294 449 65.5 3459 7.70 56 24 5.3 9 2.0 24.0 154 98.2
5 M. Bulger QB, STL 192 287 66.9 2297 8.00 57 14 4.9 9 3.1 26.0 188 94.4
6 Tom Brady QB, NWE 334 530 63.0 4110 7.76 71 26 4.9 14 2.6 26.0 188 92.3
7 J. Plummer QB, DEN 277 456 60.7 3366 7.38 72 18 3.9 7 1.5 22.0 135 90.2
8 T. Green QB, KAN 317 507 62.5 4014 7.92 60 17 3.4 10 2.0 32.0 204 90.1
9 B. Leftwich QB, JAC 175 302 57.9 2123 7.03 45 15 5.0 5 1.7 23.0 110 89.3
10 Drew Brees QB, SDG 323 500 64.6 3576 7.15 54 24 4.8 15 3.0 27.0 223 89.2
11 B. Johnson QB, MIN 184 294 62.6 1885 6.41 80 12 4.1 4 1.4 23.0 134 88.9
12 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 262 435 60.2 3421 7.86 80 24 5.5 16 3.7 28.0 214 88.1
13 M. Brunell QB, WAS 262 454 57.7 3050 6.72 78 23 5.1 10 2.2 27.0 213 85.9
14 K. Warner QB, ARI 242 375 64.5 2713 7.24 63 11 2.9 9 2.4 23.0 158 85.8
15 K. Holcomb QB, BUF 155 230 67.4 1509 6.56 65 10 4.3 8 3.5 17.0 140 85.6
16 D. McNabb QB, PHI 211 357 59.1 2507 7.02 91 16 4.5 9 2.5 19.0 112 85.0
17 D. Bledsoe QB, DAL 300 499 60.1 3639 7.29 71 23 4.6 17 3.4 49.0 295 83.7
18 S. McNair QB, TEN 292 476 61.3 3161 6.64 57 16 3.4 11 2.3 20.0 134 82.4
19 C. Simms QB, TAM 191 313 61.0 2035 6.50 78 10 3.2 7 2.2 29.0 205 81.4
20 K. Collins QB, OAK 302 565 53.5 3759 6.65 79 20 3.5 12 2.1 39.0 261 77.3
21 David Carr QB, HOU 256 423 60.5 2488 5.88 53 14 3.3 11 2.6 68.0 424 77.2
22 T. Dilfer QB, CLE 199 333 59.8 2321 6.97 80 11 3.3 12 3.6 23.0 139 76.9
23 E. Manning QB, NYG 294 557 52.8 3762 6.75 78 24 4.3 17 3.1 28.0 184 75.9
24 J. McCown QB, ARI 163 270 60.4 1836 6.80 49 9 3.3 11 4.1 18.0 101 74.9
25 M. Vick QB, ATL 214 387 55.3 2412 6.23 58 15 3.9 13 3.4 33.0 201 73.1
26 B. Bollinger QB, NYJ 150 266 56.4 1558 5.86 60 7 2.6 6 2.3 32.0 193 72.9
27 J. Harrington QB, DET 188 330 57.0 2021 6.12 86 12 3.6 12 3.6 24.0 136 72.0
28 G. Frerotte QB, MIA 257 494 52.0 2996 6.07 60 18 3.6 13 2.6 26.0 158 71.9
29 K. Boller QB, BAL 171 293 58.4 1799 6.14 47 11 3.8 12 4.1 23.0 146 71.7
30 A. Wright QB, BAL 164 266 61.7 1582 5.95 48 6 2.3 9 3.4 19.0 147 71.7
31 B. Favre QB, GNB 372 607 61.3 3881 6.39 59 20 3.3 29 4.8 24.0 170 70.9
32 A. Brooks QB, NOR 240 431 55.7 2882 6.69 66 13 3.0 17 3.9 33.0 202 70.0
33 J. Losman QB, BUF 113 228 49.6 1340 5.88 58 8 3.5 8 3.5 26.0 197 64.9
34 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 190 368 51.6 1869 5.08 54 9 2.4 13 3.5 30.0 190 59.7

The point is, if you want a good QB, draft him high in the first round. Peyton - #1 pick. Eli - #1 pick. Carson Palmer - #1 pick. Michael Vick - #1 pick. David Carr - #1 pick. Drew Bledsoe - #1 pick. Donovan McNabb - #2 pick. Steve McNair - #3 pick. Joey Harrington - #3 pick. Byron Leftwich - #7 pick. Ben Rothliesberger - #11 pick. Daunte Culpepper - #11 pick. Kyle Boller - # 19 pick. Rex Grossman - #22 pick.

Notice a trend anybody? Every single one of those #1, #2, or #3 picks are still in the NFL and still starting. Sure you can go ahead and say, "Well, umm, well for every Peyton Manning there's a Ryan Leaf or a Jim Druckenmiller." Right. Look at the facts people. Go ahead, I dare you to stop being ignorant to the facts. The majority of the QBs that are drafted in the top 3 are studs. Sure there are great stories like Tom Brady or Marc Bulger, but if you want a safe bet, go with the QB with the #2 pick. The chances of having a successful QB pick in the top 3 are probably 75%. The chances of having a successful starting quarterback in the later rounds is probably 1/30. You guys are worried about a bust? Trust me, you'll get a bust if you pass up on Leinart, or even Young.

01-14-2006, 03:55 PM	#12
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me.
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01-14-2006, 04:06 PM	#14
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	Any of these would come in and provide some stability to the offense. Not alot of mistakes and that's what we need an average veteran QB who doesn't make mistakes. That's what killed us last year mistakes on offense and inability to move the ball. and here i was thinking it was the entire team stinking up the joint, or the defense never being able to stop anybody are possibly someone coaching this team that shouldn't have been. if that the only problem is at qb, then heck just take either of the 2 qb's and trade the other picks away.
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01-14-2006, 04:09 PM	#15
fhs623 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 137	re: papz we can get a qb in the 2nd round...guys like dj shockley and omar jacobs will be available.....if linehart or young are busts, the saints will be back to where they are rightnow...plus given the fact that benson "lost" money this season, it worth saving a few million dollars and get a proven vet.
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01-14-2006, 04:13 PM	#17
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	RE: re: papz we need a qb because the qb position has the greatest influence on the overall outcome on any team. it is the one position that can make or break a team. a team does not need a superstar to win, but they do need someone who can manage an offense. the saints cannot afford to pass up on a qb that is ranked right up there with peyton manning. it may be 2 or 3 years before he completely takes over the team, but he can start right away and run the offense. the qb positon is the single most valuable position on a football team. when you need a qb and one of the most nfl ready college qbs in recent years is available you have to take him. especially when the draft is so incredibly deep at our other major need, linebacker.

01-14-2006, 04:17 PM	#18
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Winwin Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me. Worse than Brooks? You would have to go to the Croation school for the blind & mentally retarded to find that! Is it just me, or does this sound like a post from someone formally known as BlackOnBlack?

01-14-2006, 03:51 PM	#11
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	So when would it be a right time to draft a quarterback? First pick in the second round. Jacobs and a few others will be available. I've been reading alot of yall's comments, and it seems that the majority think that the saints should draft young or linehart. Don't these people realize that young and linehart will NOT play this season; and even if they do, they're aren't going to be any good. I think the saints should build up their defense, a la the bears, and get by with a veteran qb like volek from the titans, griese from the bucs, or garrard from the jags. I know we would have to trade a draft pick, but it might be worth it. The we trade AB straight up for Griese, Collins, Volek, Kitna (with a #4) or Harrington. Let the rookie learn for a year before getting killed. Pick up 2 good offensive lineman and the rest on defense, primarily at Linebacker and Defensive tackle, with maybe a wide receiver thrown in.

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01-14-2006, 04:02 PM	#13
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	is that garbage i smell? trade brooks, and take 4 steps backwards with guys that are worse? that makes sooo much sense to me. Any of these would come in and provide some stability to the offense. Not alot of mistakes and that's what we need an average veteran QB who doesn't make mistakes. That's what killed us last year mistakes on offense and inability to move the ball.

01-14-2006, 04:26 PM	#19
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	I am assuming you would keep AB? Just a thought but I think I'm right i'll be happy to answer that. if my choice doesn't include a upgrade at qb, and my next coach was someone that could get the most out of his players, stay in their butts demand perfection then the answer is yes. changing just for the sake of changing does what? nothing! if you're not changing for the better then leave it alone.
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01-14-2006, 04:54 PM	#20
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz First pick in the second round. Jacobs and a few others will be available. Holy hell you people are ridculous. Look at the top passers from 2005... NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT 1 P. Manning QB, IND 305 453 67.3 3747 8.27 80 28 6.2 10 2.2 17.0 81 104.1 2 C. Palmer QB, CIN 345 509 67.8 3836 7.54 70 32 6.3 12 2.4 19.0 105 101.1 3 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 168 268 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 6.3 9 3.4 23.0 129 98.6 4 M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA 294 449 65.5 3459 7.70 56 24 5.3 9 2.0 24.0 154 98.2 5 M. Bulger QB, STL 192 287 66.9 2297 8.00 57 14 4.9 9 3.1 26.0 188 94.4 6 Tom Brady QB, NWE 334 530 63.0 4110 7.76 71 26 4.9 14 2.6 26.0 188 92.3 7 J. Plummer QB, DEN 277 456 60.7 3366 7.38 72 18 3.9 7 1.5 22.0 135 90.2 8 T. Green QB, KAN 317 507 62.5 4014 7.92 60 17 3.4 10 2.0 32.0 204 90.1 9 B. Leftwich QB, JAC 175 302 57.9 2123 7.03 45 15 5.0 5 1.7 23.0 110 89.3 10 Drew Brees QB, SDG 323 500 64.6 3576 7.15 54 24 4.8 15 3.0 27.0 223 89.2 11 B. Johnson QB, MIN 184 294 62.6 1885 6.41 80 12 4.1 4 1.4 23.0 134 88.9 12 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 262 435 60.2 3421 7.86 80 24 5.5 16 3.7 28.0 214 88.1 13 M. Brunell QB, WAS 262 454 57.7 3050 6.72 78 23 5.1 10 2.2 27.0 213 85.9 14 K. Warner QB, ARI 242 375 64.5 2713 7.24 63 11 2.9 9 2.4 23.0 158 85.8 15 K. Holcomb QB, BUF 155 230 67.4 1509 6.56 65 10 4.3 8 3.5 17.0 140 85.6 16 D. McNabb QB, PHI 211 357 59.1 2507 7.02 91 16 4.5 9 2.5 19.0 112 85.0 17 D. Bledsoe QB, DAL 300 499 60.1 3639 7.29 71 23 4.6 17 3.4 49.0 295 83.7 18 S. McNair QB, TEN 292 476 61.3 3161 6.64 57 16 3.4 11 2.3 20.0 134 82.4 19 C. Simms QB, TAM 191 313 61.0 2035 6.50 78 10 3.2 7 2.2 29.0 205 81.4 20 K. Collins QB, OAK 302 565 53.5 3759 6.65 79 20 3.5 12 2.1 39.0 261 77.3 21 David Carr QB, HOU 256 423 60.5 2488 5.88 53 14 3.3 11 2.6 68.0 424 77.2 22 T. Dilfer QB, CLE 199 333 59.8 2321 6.97 80 11 3.3 12 3.6 23.0 139 76.9 23 E. Manning QB, NYG 294 557 52.8 3762 6.75 78 24 4.3 17 3.1 28.0 184 75.9 24 J. McCown QB, ARI 163 270 60.4 1836 6.80 49 9 3.3 11 4.1 18.0 101 74.9 25 M. Vick QB, ATL 214 387 55.3 2412 6.23 58 15 3.9 13 3.4 33.0 201 73.1 26 B. Bollinger QB, NYJ 150 266 56.4 1558 5.86 60 7 2.6 6 2.3 32.0 193 72.9 27 J. Harrington QB, DET 188 330 57.0 2021 6.12 86 12 3.6 12 3.6 24.0 136 72.0 28 G. Frerotte QB, MIA 257 494 52.0 2996 6.07 60 18 3.6 13 2.6 26.0 158 71.9 29 K. Boller QB, BAL 171 293 58.4 1799 6.14 47 11 3.8 12 4.1 23.0 146 71.7 30 A. Wright QB, BAL 164 266 61.7 1582 5.95 48 6 2.3 9 3.4 19.0 147 71.7 31 B. Favre QB, GNB 372 607 61.3 3881 6.39 59 20 3.3 29 4.8 24.0 170 70.9 32 A. Brooks QB, NOR 240 431 55.7 2882 6.69 66 13 3.0 17 3.9 33.0 202 70.0 33 J. Losman QB, BUF 113 228 49.6 1340 5.88 58 8 3.5 8 3.5 26.0 197 64.9 34 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 190 368 51.6 1869 5.08 54 9 2.4 13 3.5 30.0 190 59.7 The point is, if you want a good QB, draft him high in the first round. Peyton - #1 pick. Eli - #1 pick. Carson Palmer - #1 pick. Michael Vick - #1 pick. David Carr - #1 pick. Drew Bledsoe - #1 pick. Donovan McNabb - #2 pick. Steve McNair - #3 pick. Joey Harrington - #3 pick. Byron Leftwich - #7 pick. Ben Rothliesberger - #11 pick. Daunte Culpepper - #11 pick. Kyle Boller - # 19 pick. Rex Grossman - #22 pick. Notice a trend anybody? Every single one of those #1, #2, or #3 picks are still in the NFL and still starting. Sure you can go ahead and say, "Well, umm, well for every Peyton Manning there's a Ryan Leaf or a Jim Druckenmiller." Right. Look at the facts people. Go ahead, I dare you to stop being ignorant to the facts. The majority of the QBs that are drafted in the top 3 are studs. Sure there are great stories like Tom Brady or Marc Bulger, but if you want a safe bet, go with the QB with the #2 pick. The chances of having a successful QB pick in the top 3 are probably 75%. The chances of having a successful starting quarterback in the later rounds is probably 1/30. You guys are worried about a bust? Trust me, you'll get a bust if you pass up on Leinart, or even Young.
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