Why pick a qb?

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:00 PM

If you still can't get this through your thick skulls, let me show you a specific year, which is how it is almost every year in the NFL draft. In the 2004 draft, the top 3 QB picks in the first round were Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Big Ben. Two of those guys led their teams to the playoffs. One of them is still playing. And Rivers is still waiting to play, but apparently has a lot of promise due to all of the teams that want to trade for him. Now look at the other QBs drafted later in that draft...

Josh Harris of Bowling Green; Matt Mauck of LSU; Cody Pickett of Washington; Jeff Smoker of Michigan State; John Navarre of Michigan; Bradlee Van Pelt of Colorado State, and 280-pound (or more) Jared Lorenzen of Kentucky.

Any of those guys any good? NO. Get it? Sure we could wait, and pass up on our franchise QB for an unproven, poorly graded QB, hoping that we're going to draft the next Tom Brady, but two things: 1, we're the New Orleans Saints and nothing ever turns out that good for this team and 2, the actual probability of that happening is miniscule. Draft Leinart. Then draft Carpenter or Abdul Hodge or Ernie Sims. That will drastically improve this team.

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 04:01 PM

Hey Deuce, I am tired of explaining the samething over and over and over again. We don't have 2 or 3 years for a QB to develop, PERIOD. We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense.

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 04:06 PM

win is that same guy that supported brooks non-stop all that time. what the hck was his name billy or something

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:07 PM

Then why do you keep talking about drafting Omar Jacobs?

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:09 PM

We don't have 2 or 3 years for a QB to develop, PERIOD. We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense.

Who said it would take 2 or 3 years? I think Leinart is NFL-ready now. And we can still draft our franchise QB, and then use every other pick for defense.

There's also a little thing called FA that we could use to fill defensive holes.

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 04:13 PM

Who said it would take 2 or 3 years? I think Leinart is NFL-ready now. And we can still draft our franchise QB, and then use every other pick for defense.

So you think Leinart could come in and start next year? I think your phone is ringing and it's Loomis, he want's to talk to you about the coaching vacancy.

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:14 PM

We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense.

And we have a veteran starter. Just because a guy is a vet doesn't mean he's any good; just like Collins. We could trade away draft picks to get Griese who's old and just tore his ACL. I'll pass. We could try to get Kitna, but with Palmer's "career-threatening" injury, I don't think the Bengals are going to let him go, because their probably going to use him as a starter. And I guess we could go after Volek, but I don't know if I want a guy who can't beat out an over-the-hill Steve McNair. Sure Volek is decent, but he's no franchise QB. We have the chance this year, and probably not for a long long time to draft a franchise QB. Also, Volek is going to be asking for HUGE money, which is one of the reasons why Tenn prolly won't get him back.

And defense? Last time I checked our defense finished 14th in the NFL. Our offense was ranked 31st or something. Which one sounds worse to you? Sure we could use a LB and another CB, but our offense needs MORE HELP. DO you understand that?

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 04:16 PM

So you think Leinart could come in and start next year? I think your phone is ringing and it's Loomis, he want's to talk to you about the coaching vacancy.

Why not? Big Ben did. Eli did. Besides, if we draft him, he'll be the best QB on our roster, so yeah, I'd say he could start. He's played a pro-style offense for 3 or 4 years. The guy can play, and I know he'd be better than AB.

Euphoria · 01-14-2006, 04:22 PM

I disagree with the QB position having the most influence over the outcome of the game that is so wrong. If you have an offensive line to block for a good qb and a provide time for the QB and WR's... if you have a D that can prevent big plays then the QB becomes a cog in a wheel. Plummer isn't all that of a great QB and the team kicks ass.

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 04:24 PM

i am with you on that euph. i have said that for a long time ther is a formula that wins in the nfl play good d and be able to run the ball.
deuce are you talking to me about jacobs?

01-14-2006, 04:00 PM	#21
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz If you still can't get this through your thick skulls, let me show you a specific year, which is how it is almost every year in the NFL draft. In the 2004 draft, the top 3 QB picks in the first round were Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Big Ben. Two of those guys led their teams to the playoffs. One of them is still playing. And Rivers is still waiting to play, but apparently has a lot of promise due to all of the teams that want to trade for him. Now look at the other QBs drafted later in that draft... Josh Harris of Bowling Green; Matt Mauck of LSU; Cody Pickett of Washington; Jeff Smoker of Michigan State; John Navarre of Michigan; Bradlee Van Pelt of Colorado State, and 280-pound (or more) Jared Lorenzen of Kentucky. Any of those guys any good? NO. Get it? Sure we could wait, and pass up on our franchise QB for an unproven, poorly graded QB, hoping that we're going to draft the next Tom Brady, but two things: 1, we're the New Orleans Saints and nothing ever turns out that good for this team and 2, the actual probability of that happening is miniscule. Draft Leinart. Then draft Carpenter or Abdul Hodge or Ernie Sims. That will drastically improve this team.
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01-14-2006, 04:01 PM	#22
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,480 Blog Entries: 3	RE: re: papz Hey Deuce, I am tired of explaining the samething over and over and over again. We don't have 2 or 3 years for a QB to develop, PERIOD. We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	RE: re: papz win is that same guy that supported brooks non-stop all that time. what the hck was his name billy or something

01-14-2006, 04:07 PM	#24
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz Then why do you keep talking about drafting Omar Jacobs?
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01-14-2006, 04:09 PM	#25
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz We don't have 2 or 3 years for a QB to develop, PERIOD. We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense. Who said it would take 2 or 3 years? I think Leinart is NFL-ready now. And we can still draft our franchise QB, and then use every other pick for defense. There's also a little thing called FA that we could use to fill defensive holes.
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01-14-2006, 04:13 PM	#26
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,480 Blog Entries: 3	RE: re: papz Who said it would take 2 or 3 years? I think Leinart is NFL-ready now. And we can still draft our franchise QB, and then use every other pick for defense. So you think Leinart could come in and start next year? I think your phone is ringing and it's Loomis, he want's to talk to you about the coaching vacancy.

01-14-2006, 04:14 PM	#27
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz We need a veteran starter and Defense, Defense, Defense. And we have a veteran starter. Just because a guy is a vet doesn't mean he's any good; just like Collins. We could trade away draft picks to get Griese who's old and just tore his ACL. I'll pass. We could try to get Kitna, but with Palmer's "career-threatening" injury, I don't think the Bengals are going to let him go, because their probably going to use him as a starter. And I guess we could go after Volek, but I don't know if I want a guy who can't beat out an over-the-hill Steve McNair. Sure Volek is decent, but he's no franchise QB. We have the chance this year, and probably not for a long long time to draft a franchise QB. Also, Volek is going to be asking for HUGE money, which is one of the reasons why Tenn prolly won't get him back. And defense? Last time I checked our defense finished 14th in the NFL. Our offense was ranked 31st or something. Which one sounds worse to you? Sure we could use a LB and another CB, but our offense needs MORE HELP. DO you understand that?
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01-14-2006, 04:16 PM	#28
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: re: papz So you think Leinart could come in and start next year? I think your phone is ringing and it's Loomis, he want's to talk to you about the coaching vacancy. Why not? Big Ben did. Eli did. Besides, if we draft him, he'll be the best QB on our roster, so yeah, I'd say he could start. He's played a pro-style offense for 3 or 4 years. The guy can play, and I know he'd be better than AB.
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01-14-2006, 04:22 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: re: papz I disagree with the QB position having the most influence over the outcome of the game that is so wrong. If you have an offensive line to block for a good qb and a provide time for the QB and WR's... if you have a D that can prevent big plays then the QB becomes a cog in a wheel. Plummer isn't all that of a great QB and the team kicks ass.

01-14-2006, 04:24 PM	#30
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	RE: re: papz i am with you on that euph. i have said that for a long time ther is a formula that wins in the nfl play good d and be able to run the ball. deuce are you talking to me about jacobs?