and he said it...

gandhi1007 · 01-28-2006, 01:45 PM

Thank god our new coaching staff didn't hire Mike D as a talent scout. Leinart will definately be the better pro. NFL defenses are going to eat Vince Young alive!

xan · 01-28-2006, 01:57 PM

From yasoon:

...or a guy who seemingly craps himself every year when the big game comes around. Peyton really put some legs under that big game choker label with his play against Pitt. They finally got home field and they got schooled....that game was not as close as the final kick made it look.

I don't think that the Indy Coaching staff's gaff of continuing the same protection scheme that the Steelers' were exploiting was Manning's fault. He certainly didn't choke, his coaches wanted to see his David Carr impersonation. Great quarterbacks are given the time to make plays and you can't make plays when your guard's foot is pinning you to the ground.

Whatever the final evaluation, it will be based on how these two draft prospects do in the combines and the individual workouts. Who's going to have more success with the Saints - a guy who needs a lot of protection or a guy who can improvise because the talent isn't there to protect him?[/quote]

yasoon · 01-28-2006, 02:39 PM

I don't think that the Indy Coaching staff's gaff of continuing the same protection scheme that the Steelers' were exploiting was Manning's fault. He certainly didn't choke, his coaches wanted to see his David Carr impersonation.

Yes, Pitt put the pressure on...no doubt. But, Manning had some throws to nobody in that game and he looked pretty confused. And you talk about the coaching staff using the same protection scheme....Manning audibles to protection schemes at the line as much as his coaching staff adjusts. Some of that is on him.

And also, the dude got sacked less than one time a game all year. So, I have trouble with people excusing his poor game when they don't spend the whole year giving his line credit for giving him all day to throw. The dude got blitzed....boo hoo. Step up. And we're not talking about one big game, we're talking a history here.

I see your point, xan...I'm just saying, he's a coach on the field and you can't just judge him by how he plays when everything is going his way. The real step up guys fight through that stuff and don't throw their line under the bus. Those 1st few throws went to nobody. Peyton is becoming the new Dan Marino. I like the guy. I enjoy watching him run an offense. But, his worst game of the season comes in January EVERY YEAR. That's a fact.

jergensl · 01-28-2006, 03:06 PM

they're both gonna sit this year so take the safer pick, vince young.

vince young will have to sit atleast 1 year before he is ready to start, but leinart will be ready to start before the beginning of the regular season. leinart is a coach on the field who reads defenses at the line and makes smart decisions. young stands back in a shotgun formation looks for his first reciever and if he isnt open he runs. which do you think will do better in the nfl?

gandhi1007 · 01-28-2006, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by jergensl

they're both gonna sit this year so take the safer pick, vince young.

vince young will have to sit atleast 1 year before he is ready to start, but leinart will be ready to start before the beginning of the regular season. leinart is a coach on the field who reads defenses at the line and makes smart decisions. young stands back in a shotgun formation looks for his first reciever and if he isnt open he runs. which do you think will do better in the nfl?

It's an easy answer. Good post Jergs!

For all these Leinart haters that think Vince Young is our savior: I watched every Texas game this year as my poor wife is U.T. alumni. Oklahoma State & Texas A&M, while both not all that, had decent defenses. They both gave Young fits. Fumble after fumble with arguably one of the best O-lines in the country, Young looked confused. He will not be able to use his legs against NFL defenses, unless he wants them broken.

xan · 01-28-2006, 04:48 PM

yas, you're right, he's a coach on the field, but he had 4 sideline coaches and 3 in the booth that could have told him how to alter the blocking schemes. When you're playing, you don't necessarily have perfect vision on everything. Even the linemen could have spoken up, presumably they've got a clue about blocking schemes. Laying the inability to adjust blocking schemes on Manning is like saying it's the soldier's fault that they're in Iraq without the right armor.

wheelman · 01-28-2006, 05:02 PM

People (namely Saints fans) like to dog the Manning boys because it's like therapy. They're angry because Archie is the only good quarterback we ever had, and neither of his super-talented kids will ever be in a Saints uniform. It reminds me of something I would say when the '04 draft came about. Only a Manning can break the curse.

Winwin · 01-28-2006, 06:04 PM

People (namely Saints fans) like to dog the Manning boys because it's like therapy. They're angry because Archie is the only good quarterback we ever had, and neither of his super-talented kids will ever be in a Saints uniform. It reminds me of something I would say when the '04 draft came about. Only a Manning can break the curse.

if archie was the only good qb we had, then why didn't we start to win until after he left??? puzzling...archie got us conference championships, first ever playoff game wins, and superbowl appearances. thanks archie...

spkb25 · 01-28-2006, 07:23 PM

because it is never about the supporting cast. it is always about one player. like vick right. all he does is win. that is what i heard. then you look at 8-8. ummm?

wheelman · 01-28-2006, 08:12 PM

I don't know if you could even call what Archie had around him a supporting cast.

01-28-2006, 01:57 PM	#12
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	From yasoon: ...or a guy who seemingly craps himself every year when the big game comes around. Peyton really put some legs under that big game choker label with his play against Pitt. They finally got home field and they got schooled....that game was not as close as the final kick made it look. I don't think that the Indy Coaching staff's gaff of continuing the same protection scheme that the Steelers' were exploiting was Manning's fault. He certainly didn't choke, his coaches wanted to see his David Carr impersonation. Great quarterbacks are given the time to make plays and you can't make plays when your guard's foot is pinning you to the ground. Whatever the final evaluation, it will be based on how these two draft prospects do in the combines and the individual workouts. Who's going to have more success with the Saints - a guy who needs a lot of protection or a guy who can improvise because the talent isn't there to protect him?[/quote]

01-28-2006, 02:39 PM	#13
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I don't think that the Indy Coaching staff's gaff of continuing the same protection scheme that the Steelers' were exploiting was Manning's fault. He certainly didn't choke, his coaches wanted to see his David Carr impersonation. Yes, Pitt put the pressure on...no doubt. But, Manning had some throws to nobody in that game and he looked pretty confused. And you talk about the coaching staff using the same protection scheme....Manning audibles to protection schemes at the line as much as his coaching staff adjusts. Some of that is on him. And also, the dude got sacked less than one time a game all year. So, I have trouble with people excusing his poor game when they don't spend the whole year giving his line credit for giving him all day to throw. The dude got blitzed....boo hoo. Step up. And we're not talking about one big game, we're talking a history here. I see your point, xan...I'm just saying, he's a coach on the field and you can't just judge him by how he plays when everything is going his way. The real step up guys fight through that stuff and don't throw their line under the bus. Those 1st few throws went to nobody. Peyton is becoming the new Dan Marino. I like the guy. I enjoy watching him run an offense. But, his worst game of the season comes in January EVERY YEAR. That's a fact.
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01-28-2006, 04:04 PM	#15
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by jergensl they're both gonna sit this year so take the safer pick, vince young. vince young will have to sit atleast 1 year before he is ready to start, but leinart will be ready to start before the beginning of the regular season. leinart is a coach on the field who reads defenses at the line and makes smart decisions. young stands back in a shotgun formation looks for his first reciever and if he isnt open he runs. which do you think will do better in the nfl? It's an easy answer. Good post Jergs! For all these Leinart haters that think Vince Young is our savior: I watched every Texas game this year as my poor wife is U.T. alumni. Oklahoma State & Texas A&M, while both not all that, had decent defenses. They both gave Young fits. Fumble after fumble with arguably one of the best O-lines in the country, Young looked confused. He will not be able to use his legs against NFL defenses, unless he wants them broken.
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01-28-2006, 05:02 PM	#17
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	People (namely Saints fans) like to dog the Manning boys because it's like therapy. They're angry because Archie is the only good quarterback we ever had, and neither of his super-talented kids will ever be in a Saints uniform. It reminds me of something I would say when the '04 draft came about. Only a Manning can break the curse.
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01-28-2006, 06:04 PM	#18
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	People (namely Saints fans) like to dog the Manning boys because it's like therapy. They're angry because Archie is the only good quarterback we ever had, and neither of his super-talented kids will ever be in a Saints uniform. It reminds me of something I would say when the '04 draft came about. Only a Manning can break the curse. if archie was the only good qb we had, then why didn't we start to win until after he left??? puzzling...archie got us conference championships, first ever playoff game wins, and superbowl appearances. thanks archie...
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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Thank god our new coaching staff didn't hire Mike D as a talent scout. Leinart will definately be the better pro. NFL defenses are going to eat Vince Young alive!

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jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	they're both gonna sit this year so take the safer pick, vince young. vince young will have to sit atleast 1 year before he is ready to start, but leinart will be ready to start before the beginning of the regular season. leinart is a coach on the field who reads defenses at the line and makes smart decisions. young stands back in a shotgun formation looks for his first reciever and if he isnt open he runs. which do you think will do better in the nfl?

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	yas, you're right, he's a coach on the field, but he had 4 sideline coaches and 3 in the booth that could have told him how to alter the blocking schemes. When you're playing, you don't necessarily have perfect vision on everything. Even the linemen could have spoken up, presumably they've got a clue about blocking schemes. Laying the inability to adjust blocking schemes on Manning is like saying it's the soldier's fault that they're in Iraq without the right armor.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	because it is never about the supporting cast. it is always about one player. like vick right. all he does is win. that is what i heard. then you look at 8-8. ummm?

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wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	I don't know if you could even call what Archie had around him a supporting cast.
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