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Here's another one that supposedly didn't have a strong arm:

Joe Montana

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Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? :( LOL :lol:

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore. :? :?

haha

All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.

Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks.

at the beginning of mccarthy's last season with the Saints was the first time I heard anything about dumbing down the playbook. if what you say is true, what would they hope to gain by holding off a few years, only to announce it when they did?

Again, to place the blame for the offensive woe's on McCarthy. Someone had to be the scapegoat. It's quite possible to me. Brooks is McCarthy's golden boy and Haz tied his fate to him as well, and they both went to bat for the guy getting a huge raise. Now, if this same guy isn't picking up the playbook as well as he should, would YOU announce that? You have just tied your career to this guy, would you be telling the media you had to scale back the playbook? BUT, if the OC leaves, and you need a person to blame for offensive woes, the terminology was too much and there were too many plays and we were holding it in the huddle too long and yatta yatta yatta. I am willing to bet, if we had gotten rid of Brooks last year, you would have heard the team mention all his negatives and place the balme on him. It just so happens McCarthy was the one who left, so he took the blame.

I understand announcing it after McCarthy leaves, to use him as the scapegoat, I get that.

But it was announced a year before McCarthy left. And as if that wasn't enough, it had to be further dumbed down the year he left.

Ehh, not even sure what the point is anymore, other than he was too stupid to pick it up after several changes throughout the past few years. But, it didn't happen while Turley was here, so I don't know how he can comment on it.

And all I am saying is, you don't KNOW it didn't happen when Turley was here. All you can say is you didn't hear about it. Right?

It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. ;)

Doesn't matter who the Saints have at QB if you have no line or D you won't win... they won't do diddly.

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It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. ;)

Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P

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Doesn't matter who the Saints have at QB if you have no line or D you won't win... they won't do diddly.

we have a decent o line and our d-line is good enough to get by. the small holes we have in each can easily be fixed in the draft and free agency.

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we have a decent o line and our d-line is good enough to get by. the small holes we have in each can easily be fixed in the draft and free agency.

Thank you jergensl! People are talking like our line is as bad as the Texans' line. Our OLine is pretty good and our DEs are some of the best in football. All we need is another DT to complement Young and maybe another OL.

the leinart haters have to come up with an excuse not to draft him. all their arguments fail.

trade down to draft hawk or brick-why when we can get a solid lb with our early 2nd rounder, and OT isn't as big as a need as a qb or lb.

draft young-dumb, but fast...sounds great

come on haters...give me some more arguments to smash. haha