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Seems the Bengals are preparing for the departure of Kitna and that the Browns maybe in the market for a QB? Maybe a trade with the Browns for a linebacker or DT and a #4 for Brooks, then we can sign Kitna.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions

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Or just trade for AB, and then get a draft pick....

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I just want AB gone ........

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Do you really want Kitna? I'd rather keep AB.

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Who's going to trade for AB knowing that they'll have to pay him $6M upfront? Ya'll are dreaming.

Folks around here are way too interested in Kitna. Maybe as a 1 year stop gap while you get the rookie ready.

Kitna is a backup. Whatever it takes to get AB outta here, but Kitna is not that good. He actually made an AB play and fumbled without being touched in his last game. He's a gamer...I'll give him that, but he's a 2nd stringer IMHO.

they can work out a contract with Brooks as condition to the trade, money isn't an issue except for what he'll make this coming year. I also rather keep him than get Kitna

I would rather Kitna than Brooks, simply because Brooks has starter talent and would not be good in a mentor role. Kitna is clearly more comfortable with a 2nd string, temp starter type thing.

AB has nothing to offer a young QB, other than "watch out man, they'll criticize you no matter how good you are." I don't need his QB philosphy in the ear of a young QB.

No way I'm dreaming. I guarantee you that there are coaches out there in the NFL that see a guy as naturally talented as Brooks is, and they say to themselves, "Haslett couldn't do it, but I'm a good coach and I can teach this guy to be a damn good QB." Somebody will take him in just because of how gifted he is talent-wise.

TheDuece is right. Look at Jake Plummer as an example of what teams will think they can do to a bad QB. In Arizona he only had one year with more TDs than Ints. Shanahan knew he could get more from the guy and focused on him as his starter. His (Plummer) career QB rating is still lower than Brooks and thats after three years over 84.

Brooks on the other hand JUST had his first season with more Ints than TDs, and still has good arm strength. There are coaches out there that KNOW that if they get ahold of this guy (Brooks), then they can teach him some better decission making skills. Hell, Payton might be thinking that himself.

I do believe Kitna would be a better mentor to a rookie QB than Brooks. He's already done it in Cinci.

Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. I think he will do better with a west coast type of deal. I would not waste time or money for Kitna. At all!!!!

The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Better Back up trade for David Garrard Jacksonville. But then agian thats a pipe dream...Seneca Wallace would be decent did you see what he did to us during preseason?????Just what little of him Ive seen he is pretty good

That's true, but you also have to see that other coaches think that the only reason he couldn't "get it" in New Orleans was because of Haslett. They think that they can change this guy into a premiere QB because of all his tools. It's just like Shawn Bradley. The Mavs took on his monster contract because they saw this guy who was so blessed with a natural talent (height) that they figured that they could do what nobody else could: make him better. So....

That's why I would be curious to see what Payton could do with AB. Hell, he turned Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe into 3000-yard passers, and none of those guys have half the athletic ability that AB has. This guy is good with QBs, and although its true that you can't teach somebody to be smart, you CAN coach them up and make them comfortable with a system (so they feel like the know it well).

That's why I'm opposed to getting Kitna. He's just not that good. ESPN graded him out at a 69, AB is a 73. Although I don't know how much faith I put in those rankings (even though for the most part I believe their pretty accurate), I still think that bringing Kitna here is a short-term fix that wouldn't even be a fix. It would just be making our team worse. But if we draft Leinart and don't keep AB, and we don't want Leinart to start right away (which I don't think would be that bad of a thing), then I guess we'd have to sign a guy like Kitna or Volek to a one-year deal to give Leinart a little learning time.

AB isn't accurate enough for a short passing game. If you wanna see that, just take a gander at how often we threw deep. Unless it was a broken play, we did run a short passing offense. That's why you always saw joe, Donte, and Devery diving in the dirt for slant passes. AB doesn't know the meaning of touch, or a three step drop. He needs an offense that allows for deep patterns as the focus of the offense, slants, crosses, outs, ins, flies, whatever. No offense where it is based on short passing with timing and rhythm will EVER be successful with AB as the QB. EVER. I don't care what it takes, I want this bum gone. Get off the team. I'd take one of those monkeys from the careerbuilder.com commercials before I would wanna see him suiting up next year, in any capacity. Bye bye. I don't know if there is any offense that teaches a QB to be smarter and not regress after 6 years, but if there is one, let him go find it.

Brooks has a bad attitude and he's going to provide neither leadership nor analytical direction for whomever takes over the starting role. He was given 5+ years of unwavering support by Haslett and TWO offensive coordinators plus two quarterback coaches. The AB experiment is an unqualified failure. Cut him now before there's any seed of unrest in the Brave New World lockerrom. Or, if there truly are suckers out there willing to put $6M upfront for a backup, get a trade;

If you were a new coach, would YOU put your career on the line for AB? Second chances are becoming harder to come by nowadays.

Over and over the argument goes. The essential problem is that NO COACH in history can make Brooks understand that a Football TEAM is composed on more than just Brooks. He has a million dollar arm, a 10 cent brain, and a 2 cent heart. He's not a team player, nor is he coachable. Payton really didn't do that much with Quincy Carter (another QB with "GREAT POTENTIAL) because Carter wouldn't follow the system.

When you look at the former players, announcers, newspaper writers, general managers, and coaches the same story comes out about Brooks almost to a man. "Brooks is inconsistent, unreliable and a coach killer." Finney, Triplett, DeShazier, Lagarde, Mickles, Jim Henderson, Hokie Gajan, Bobby Hebert, Buddy Dildoberto, Kevin Foote, Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, Phil Simms, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Michael Irwin, Mike Ditka, and numerous others have all said the same thing. Brooks lacks football sense, discipline, and leadership.

What does it take for folks to see that Aaron Brooks is not the man for this team any more. Whether or not it was poor coaching, poor managementl, or poor judgement in getting him in the first place, we'll never know. One thing we do know, with Brooks we were never better than 8-8 at best 9-7. I'm for getting Kitna for a year, let Leinhart learn the system under Payton, and cut him loose. While Kitna's "Stats" ain't real great, he did turn Cincy around. He played with a poor Seattle team and wasn't seen as great, but he isn't shabby either. Kitna did drop the ball in the Pitt game, but he also recovered the ball. More that we can say for "Slippery Balls" Brooks. So send "fumbles" on his way to laugh and yuk it up with some other poor coach who believes in his "Potential." I, for one, have had more than enough of Mr. Brooks.

I'd love to take Kitna. Let's get rid of Bouman, too. He's just a clone of AB. We'll draft an awesome rookie , and while he develops, let Kitna be our certainty of atleast having someone that can play the position decently. We also need to continue to develop McPherson.

Please place the blame on the entire offense. The QB recievers ofensive line. None of it ran smooth this year or last. there were passes in the dirt and there were a ton of first down drops that were placed in beatifully also. It's funny how the two pro bowlers Horn and Bentley ( I know horn is not there this year by the way but he has been to 4) had come to the support of thier quarterback based upon comments they made at the end of the season. I think Brooks will be here for another season no matter what QB is drafted because of salary and because there is a QB minded coach at the helm. Like him or not he does have the ability to win games on skill, and he does have the ability to lead the team. That has been proven. This year is a wash and is past, I don't care how much people are payed I doubt very much that given the stress of this past season anyone would have performed to a level better than they did.

No one's excusing the rest of the offense. Brooks' resume features too many confounding stories for just one person to claim. He's won a few games on skill, but he's lost far more for lack of brains and inconsistancy. Good for him if he can turn it around, but not in a Saints uniform.

If there's anything that I've learned in my life when running a business for success, cash is king. We are due to pay this waste of time $6 million ADDITIONAL as part of his contract. I could see having Leinart or Rothlesberger or Smith or Young as a $6 Million backup, but not Brooks. The team needs so much help at so many positions, it would be criminally stupid to tie it up in one position where your backup is a known failure.

be very carefull what you wish for, that scenerio is quite possible with the new coach.....smitty

I agree with ya Oldie, but I still think we need to pick up Kitna as a backup, keep AMAC and go out and get another vet that can start or draft a QB with our second pick in the draft that Kitna can help develop alongside AMAC, possibly Jacobs.

Brooks has one hell of an arm, one of the best in the league, but he's like the scarecrow of Wizard Of Oz, he has no brain, and no the great wizard can't give him a brain.
With a young drafted qb the Saints will have to pick up a FA qb to give time for the young qb to learn the system, I wouldn't mine having Kitna for a 1-2 year deal, I don't see anything wrong with signing Kitna short term.

Not saying Brooks will be the backup. odds are and this is just an edjucated guess that is a QB is drafted with the first (or second pick) in the draft then you will see him in the Black and Gold again next year starting, then don't be surprised when he has a great turn around season (much in the way of Drew Brees) and will be traded at end of season due to the escalating salary figure.

If a trade is made for say a quality starter or one is picked up in FA then you will likley see him gone. With all the holes to address on this team, and a coach that has turned around the careers of quite a few quarterbacks I expect to see him back next year. That is just my gut feeling.

Kitna aint the answer...AB isnt either

Come on Cher, I thought you had finally learned! Having four QBs graded out in the 60s doesn't give you a rating of a 240 at the QB position. Only one guy can play, and he has to be GOOD!!!!!!!!! You can't just bring in a bunch of guys because ONLY ONE CAN PLAY. The rest will be eating up salary cap room. We need a franchise QB, just one guy. Then have ONE backup, whether that's Kitna or some other vet, I don't care. But going out and getting four average QBs isn't going to solve any problems, it'll only create them. Am I the only one who understands this?

you're the only one that thinks that way, i credit that to the medication you take. qb #1-4, 5, 6 etc. can't create wins carry this team for years without help... last i counted we've gone over 6years without a win by our defense where the offense didn't do jack.

look and find how many winning teams win regular throughout the season without the offense stumbling and the defense playing poorly, and compare to those where offense plays horrible and the defense plays good to great.

in other words, still haven't figured out that the problem with this franchise isn't the quarterback? 6 years without a win by the defense? how many does carolina have? they have more than 6 this past year alone, so does indy and new england. have to be a stupid idiot not to miss that...

I respect your opinion D, but I really think with an average veteran QB (Not Brooks) we will do alot better. I don't think AB has any leadership skills at all. I mean look at Palmer, don't you think that Kitna had something to do with his development? I really like Jacobs and believe he would do the samething off the bench that AB did in his first couple of seasons. Don't get me wrong if this were any other year I would draft Leinart in a heartbeat. I would prefer to have Volek, Ferotte or Collins but I really think that my scenario is likely to happen and I am going to stick to it. Names can change to protect the innocent.

I said the same thing in another thread. We lead the league in dropped pases....false starts.... and probably fumbles too. And ALL of this is Brooks's fault? Our defense was at the bottom echleon of the league. Pop-warner could have rushed for over 100 yards on the Saints.....and our lack of success is AB's fault? Signing Kitna and drafting Jesus Christ is gonna save our team?? I don't see the logic.

I agree Bouman needs to go, but not sold on Kitna.

What medication is that Win? Surely it's not the viagra that you need to take to make yourself feel like a real man....

Wow, I have no idea what you just said. Can anybody help me out? What I think you were trying to say was that it isn't just the quarterback's fault? Maybe? I don't know. Try speaking English on a plane higher than that of a first grader, and I might be able to have a discussion with you.

See Win, this is a good post. He is objective, provides facts to back up his arguments. Isn't aggressive or nasty. Respects my opinion, therefore, I respect his.

Anyways Cher, I know you're sold, but imagine if Leinart did turn out to be the QB of the future for this franchise. We wouldn't have to worry about the QB position for years. He would provide stability and a sense of unity on the team. The QB is so important, and you have to have a smart player under center. THat's why we've been so frustratingly bad/mediocre the last few seasons. With Leinart, our entire team can rally around a smart guy who knows how to win. 1 QB is all that can be on the field at one time, so that's all we need.

I know D, he will probably be the next coming and I will be kicking my own arse in a few years if it works out that way. I guess I better start working out now so I am flexible enough to do it.

hahahahaha..........
Matt is a smart kid and would definately boost this franchise....
Can you imagine the Saints having a player that could possibly make the cover of MADDEN?
Imagine walking around in other States while on a vacation and seeing a Leinart/Saints jersey(like we see Moss/Raiders)....
He's that type of person and player.........

I know that workout crap is funny! The only workout I get every year is channel surfing during football season. Remote in one hand and a 40 in the other and leg lifts with the recliner. Man do I get tired!

Those remotes can get pretty heaVY....HAHAHAHA........

I see a hidden message in this post. Are you Vince Young Ching?

nope.....hit the shift by mistake......sorry......
and hell no..........hows this..
THOSE REMOTES CAN GET PRETTY HEAvy.

damn, how stupid stupid must a person be to not understand facts. the facts i gave over 6 years without a defense win??????? trust me if you snort tide detergent, instead of the street drug it has a different effect on you...

I was wondering if you were leaning towards Young.

NEVER.