LMAO, it seems AB got poked by someone else and that's the reason he can't play anymore.

Wrong again! Many ex-Saints players (heres a few: Willie Roaf, Kyle Turley, Jerry Fontenot, Jake Delhomme, & Terrelle Smith) have been quoted as saying that Aaron Brooks could not learn the entire playbook, therefore it had to be cut in half & simplified. Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified), & had no respect for the people on his offensive line blocking for them. Doesn't that make defenses jobs a little easier? Is this the kind of guy you want leading your offense? LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude.....I was injecting some humor.

However on the Turley thing consider the source. He was a great player and I loved his fire but an a$$ everywhere he went. To coaches and teamates.

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Montana's 49ers went 2-14 and 6-10 the first two seasons he was there. He split time with Deburg and did not take over the team until the 1981 season, when they took off.

Elway was benched for 4 games halfway through his rookie season.

Marino did well. However remember that he dropped in the draft that year. The 1982 Dolphins went 7-2 in the strike shortened 82 season.

BTW Montana was drafted in the third round.


Second season. Big Ben mirrors in a lot of ways.


This isn't a Brooks discussion. The last #2 pick the Saints had was 35 years ago. They don't come along often. BTW I am aware of the Rogers #1 pick.

I know that Leinart will be an upgrade. But an upgrade isn't what you look for in a #2 pick. In that pick you look for a player that brings Pro Bowl caliber talent that stabilizes the position for the next 10 years.

Look at the top of 1999 draft as a perfect example. From http://www.hickoksports.com/history/nfldraft1999.shtml\

# Team Player Pos College

• 1 Cleveland Tim Couch QB Kentucky

• 2 Philadelphia Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse

• 3 Cincinnati Akili Smith QB Oregon

• 4 Indianapolis Edgerrin James RB Miami

• 5 New Orleans Ricky Williams RB Texas

• 6 St. Louis Torry Holt WR North Carolina State

Look at the QB in the #2 slot. I've very scared because of the #1 and #3 picks.

What is it about Leinart that makes him McNabb, Manning, or Palmer type QBs and not the Tim Couches or even Ryan Leaf's (yet another #2 pick) of the draft.

Once again, this is not about Brooks. Brooks won't take a pay cut because his ego believes that he is an elite QB in this league. So he'll take the chance of getting cut and shopping his services than to be humble, accept the pay cut and play for a change to be the starter here. He's not in the equation.

If we pick Leinart #2 does he have the talent to be an elite QB in this league?

SFIAH

You hit the nail on the head. It is difficult for a top pick to come to a losing team and turn them into winners immeadiately. But do you really believe that the Saints are as bad as their 3-13 record or do you think the previous 3 years of .500 ball is a better representation. I'm not making excuses for the team, but this was clearly far from an average year. Everything even, I personally believe that the team is an 8-8 club. And making a jump from average to very good is not out of the question.

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? :( LOL :lol:

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore. :? :?

Hey FJ, you say you like the Jimmy Johnson model of stocking up on draft picks and drafting speed on defense. Let me ask you a question, who was Jimmy Johnson's first pick as coach of the cowboys? It was Troy Aikman with the first overall pick in the 1989 draft. So FJ, I agree with you, let's go by the Jimmy Johnson model, draft a qb with our first pick, then build up the defense after. Jimmy Johnson model all the way!!!

And that qb's name is MATT LEINART!!!

Funny thing though LLT is that I'm sure the reports on Troy Aikman are not like Leinarts. I keep hearing that the man lacks arm strength....sounds more like a glorified Danny Wuerfful if you ask me. I'm sure JJ would not have picked a guy like Lienart. One more thing...before JJ showed up and picked Aikman? Who was the Dallas QB? I don't even remember.

I don't recall Troy Aikman being known for his arm strength. But like I said in another post, Leinart's arm strength is compared to Peyton Manning's. wow, that would suck.

You know.....if you really want a QB.....so be it. If we really have to pick one...I feel more comfortable with Cutler.

Who was the QB before Aikman?

Hey FJ, Danny White was the cowboys qb before Aikman. He wasn't bad himself. He retired the year Aikman was drafted. Anyways, Like Whodi said, Aikman never had a huge arm, he was very accuarate and smart. Sounds like Leinart if you ask me. Also, Leinart's arm isn't weak, he may not have a Brett Favre arm but it isn't chad pennington either

Never mind...I found a roster sheet.. Do you guys remember how awesome Kevin Sweeney and Steve Pueller were? I am sure they were 100 times better than Brooks.... CAN YOU BLAME JJ FOR PICKING AIKAMN FIRST?!? The deal there was that Dallas had ABSOLUTELY nobody at the helm. Now (here we go again) Brooks is not the greatest...but he can definitely hold his own a lot better than those 2 extremely popular quarterbacks.

Those were the 2 guys backing up Aikman after White left. In '88 Danny White was the qb. He didn't say he was retiring until he found out Jimmy Johnson was the coach and was going to draft a young franchise qb.

Still...point made.....when JJ showed up....he had...NOBODY at the helm. That is not really the case here.

haha

All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.

Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks.

at the beginning of mccarthy's last season with the Saints was the first time I heard anything about dumbing down the playbook. if what you say is true, what would they hope to gain by holding off a few years, only to announce it when they did?

Want to know another guy who supposely didn't have a strong enough arm when he was drafted?

Tom Brady

Here's another one that supposedly didn't have a strong arm:

Joe Montana

Again, to place the blame for the offensive woe's on McCarthy. Someone had to be the scapegoat. It's quite possible to me. Brooks is McCarthy's golden boy and Haz tied his fate to him as well, and they both went to bat for the guy getting a huge raise. Now, if this same guy isn't picking up the playbook as well as he should, would YOU announce that? You have just tied your career to this guy, would you be telling the media you had to scale back the playbook? BUT, if the OC leaves, and you need a person to blame for offensive woes, the terminology was too much and there were too many plays and we were holding it in the huddle too long and yatta yatta yatta. I am willing to bet, if we had gotten rid of Brooks last year, you would have heard the team mention all his negatives and place the balme on him. It just so happens McCarthy was the one who left, so he took the blame.

I understand announcing it after McCarthy leaves, to use him as the scapegoat, I get that.

But it was announced a year before McCarthy left. And as if that wasn't enough, it had to be further dumbed down the year he left.

Ehh, not even sure what the point is anymore, other than he was too stupid to pick it up after several changes throughout the past few years. But, it didn't happen while Turley was here, so I don't know how he can comment on it.

And all I am saying is, you don't KNOW it didn't happen when Turley was here. All you can say is you didn't hear about it. Right?

It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. ;)

Doesn't matter who the Saints have at QB if you have no line or D you won't win... they won't do diddly.

Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P

we have a decent o line and our d-line is good enough to get by. the small holes we have in each can easily be fixed in the draft and free agency.

Thank you jergensl! People are talking like our line is as bad as the Texans' line. Our OLine is pretty good and our DEs are some of the best in football. All we need is another DT to complement Young and maybe another OL.

the leinart haters have to come up with an excuse not to draft him. all their arguments fail.

trade down to draft hawk or brick-why when we can get a solid lb with our early 2nd rounder, and OT isn't as big as a need as a qb or lb.

draft young-dumb, but fast...sounds great

come on haters...give me some more arguments to smash. haha

Our O-line and D can not be even compared to that of the top 6 teams in the league. You need a top notch line in order to win a SB not one that will 'get by' is 'ok' not saying our line is worse than that of Texas but it ain't much better either. We need a line to get our RB up to 2000 yards and protect our qb. Teams that are winning on a consistant level are teams with outstanding lines and good to great defenses. A qb comes into NO isn't going to change much. We need a freakin line and a D.

Before last season our biggest asset was seen as our OLine (I'm remembering the SI NFL Preview article). I really think that bad coaching and lots of injuries led to a down year. That and a dumbed down playbook that prevented our guys from mixing up plays and keeping the defense on their heels. The opponents' D could seriously just key on a few things and they'd have the play guessed easily.

maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question?

i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information.
regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return.
where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum?

Being that I started this, I am working my butt off to get the actual interview. I've been googleing for it for 3 days now with no hits. However, I might have got lucky. The guy that made the interview, Rob Ryan, is now a DJ for a popular Houston radio station. I've emailed the station for possible information on it from Rob. Let's hope he emails me back so I can post it for you guys. Sorry I started this whole ruckus. :( :(

euph,
our d was ranked 14th in the league last year with an offense that turned the ball over more than any other team. i think our d is very solid. as for our o line, i think we should improve our depth, but it is good enough to protect leinart. if our new coaching staff is smart, they will use a lot of quick short passes to build his confidence and keep the game manageable.

i think we can win even if our rb doesn't get 2000 yards. wow your arguments are crazy.

O-line's biggest weakness=Gandy
Leinart=Left-handed QB

What does this mean? Leinart will be able to see the DE's coming at him from that side. He won't be taking blind shots. He's good on his feet and could be able to get away from a pass rush on that side. With a full season on Jamaal Brown's belt, he should be good on his blindside. Improve the LT and RG positions, and the Leinart could very well be successful with a good enough receiving corps.

Wait, let's not get off track BNB. I NEVER said you couldn't question it, all I said was it shouldn't be outright dismissed cause the timeframe YOU are AWARE of when the playbook was scaled back or dumbed down or whatever, doesn't jive with Turley's comments. That's it. The guy was on the team, all I am asking is why he would make that up? You have EVERY right to question every statement on the board, I am just questioning your reasoning for questioning it cause NONE of us know if it's true or not. That's all I was saying. You said the timeframe doesn't fit, and I simply asked how do you know. That's all. Since neither of us know for sure if the playbook was scaled back for Brooks as early as Turley's years, I don't think his statements can just be dismissed out of hand, especially when there was a HUGE scaling back of the playbook a couple of years later. That's all. Question away my man.

I think he's psychotic. There may be some truth to some of the things he says, but isn't there always some loose portion of the truth hidden in our lies?

You won't find me disagreeing with that at all.

Not a ruckus at all. We're all here, in search of the truth. Back when he was let go, I remember several interviews that he did, they all seemed to be redundant, so I ignored them. Wasn't interested in reading about him continuously flaming the organization, so I probably missed that interview.