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saintswhodi · 02-14-2006, 08:32 PM

Does anyone besides me realize QBs drafted high usually go to crap teams? Look at the exception on your list BJ. Ben. He went to a team that just had an off year, but was still a good TEAM. I would put the Saints in that category. I am willing to bet, with passes in stride, and as tobias puts it, a QB with pocket presence, you will see a drastic improvement in the offense. Not top 10, but better than what we have been getting. But every one of those players you mentioned BJ went to losing orgs when they got there. That's not the fault of any of the QBs there.

BJSim · 02-14-2006, 08:48 PM

No I completely agree. Because the second list I had was of QBs that got to sit their rookie year. They had a QB rating their first year as a starter of 81.7 with more TDs than Ints (19/14), Those names include: Favre (85.3 - can anyone still believe Atlanta sat this guy?), Brees (76.9), Brady (85.3), Culpepper (98.0), Frerotte (70.2), McNabb (77.8), and Palmer (77.3). Look at the teams these players are with. The only bust in the list is Frerotte, and alot of people think he's still an OK QB.

Do I hope Leinart comes in and does amazingly well? Hell yes, but it's hard to say that he'll do well with the questions surrounding this team. Will Duece return to Pro-Bowl form? Can we improve a mediocre defense into a top ten (or better a top three) defense? Can a rookie QB really lead the team to the promise land? Will our O-line play up to it's potential? Can our recievers remember their job is to CATCH the ball?

That's a lot of questions and I didn't hit them all. But I think you're also right that last year we should've been a 9-7 (possibly 10-6) team (pre-Katrina) and with luck and good coaching should return to that form.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-15-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Does anyone besides me realize QBs drafted high usually go to crap teams? Look at the exception on your list BJ. Ben. He went to a team that just had an off year, but was still a good TEAM. I would put the Saints in that category. I am willing to bet, with passes in stride, and as tobias puts it, a QB with pocket presence, you will see a drastic improvement in the offense. Not top 10, but better than what we have been getting. But every one of those players you mentioned BJ went to losing orgs when they got there. That's not the fault of any of the QBs there.

..that's what I'm saying...

... I just want to see 10 yd passes to Stallworth in front of him, or Hilton not have to reach low and behind to catch a ball - how do you throw a pass low and behind to a TE that's 6'8"? Oh, yeah, I forgot

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... don't want to see them 15-step drops, though...

02-15-2006, 12:19 AM	#73
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Does anyone besides me realize QBs drafted high usually go to crap teams? Look at the exception on your list BJ. Ben. He went to a team that just had an off year, but was still a good TEAM. I would put the Saints in that category. I am willing to bet, with passes in stride, and as tobias puts it, a QB with pocket presence, you will see a drastic improvement in the offense. Not top 10, but better than what we have been getting. But every one of those players you mentioned BJ went to losing orgs when they got there. That's not the fault of any of the QBs there. ..that's what I'm saying... ... I just want to see 10 yd passes to Stallworth in front of him, or Hilton not have to reach low and behind to catch a ball - how do you throw a pass low and behind to a TE that's 6'8"? Oh, yeah, I forgot - ... don't want to see them 15-step drops, though...

02-14-2006, 08:32 PM	#71
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Does anyone besides me realize QBs drafted high usually go to crap teams? Look at the exception on your list BJ. Ben. He went to a team that just had an off year, but was still a good TEAM. I would put the Saints in that category. I am willing to bet, with passes in stride, and as tobias puts it, a QB with pocket presence, you will see a drastic improvement in the offense. Not top 10, but better than what we have been getting. But every one of those players you mentioned BJ went to losing orgs when they got there. That's not the fault of any of the QBs there.

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02-14-2006, 08:48 PM	#72
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	No I completely agree. Because the second list I had was of QBs that got to sit their rookie year. They had a QB rating their first year as a starter of 81.7 with more TDs than Ints (19/14), Those names include: Favre (85.3 - can anyone still believe Atlanta sat this guy?), Brees (76.9), Brady (85.3), Culpepper (98.0), Frerotte (70.2), McNabb (77.8), and Palmer (77.3). Look at the teams these players are with. The only bust in the list is Frerotte, and alot of people think he's still an OK QB. Do I hope Leinart comes in and does amazingly well? Hell yes, but it's hard to say that he'll do well with the questions surrounding this team. Will Duece return to Pro-Bowl form? Can we improve a mediocre defense into a top ten (or better a top three) defense? Can a rookie QB really lead the team to the promise land? Will our O-line play up to it's potential? Can our recievers remember their job is to CATCH the ball? That's a lot of questions and I didn't hit them all. But I think you're also right that last year we should've been a 9-7 (possibly 10-6) team (pre-Katrina) and with luck and good coaching should return to that form.