Drew Brees

xan · 02-21-2006, 08:52 PM

Screw Brees. Let him rehabilitate on someone else's dime, we don't need consecutive AB situations here. I'm in a bad mood, dammit, so don't mess.

ScottyRo · 02-22-2006, 06:36 AM

Something like this would be the only reason I would trade down rather than simply drafting Leinart. However, Brees would have to sign a long term contract with only one year's worth of guaranteed money up front.

Overall, I'd probably rather have Leinart and get a FA OT that is as good a T as Bress is a QB. That probably can't happen either, but passing on Leinart must be done with immense pause and reflection.

If Mickey is even partially considering taking Young instead of Leinart, then we should trade down and get Bress if we can.

hagan714 · 02-22-2006, 07:57 AM

If we want to gamble sure go for it. But it better be a salary based on his play and VERY CAP friendly

saintswhodi · 02-22-2006, 08:49 AM

[quote="BlackandBlue"]

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I'll asnwer you guys' queries with this:

From Peter King:

Obviously there's some hesitation about signing Brees because of surgery to repair a partially torn labrum. But this is a top-six or -seven quarterback right now, and he's 27. The players and doctors familiar with this surgery think there's no question he'll make a full recovery.[/quote]

From ESPN:

The Chargers have all but ruled out the possibility of placing the franchise or transition tag on quarterback Drew Brees, leaving them only two options: signing him to a new contract or letting him hit the free-agent market.

For a month, the Chargers had been considering the transition designation for Brees following his shoulder surgery because it gave them the flexibility of keeping his rights but not offering him a guaranteed contract. But an interpretation from the NFL Management Council late this week scared them out of that concept.

Because Brees had the franchise tag in 2005 and his $8.078 million salary was guaranteed, the league interpreted two things. First, the tender offer for Brees' transition tag would have to be at 120 percent of his 2005 salary instead of the 2006 quarterback transition number of $8.327 million. That means Brees would have to be offered $9.7 million by the Chargers. Second, there can be a case made that because his principle terms of the 2005 franchise tag was guaranteed, Brees' 2006 transition tag could also be considered a guaranteed offer.

The Chargers could ask for a hearing to determine whether that was the case or not, but instead have ruled out giving him the franchise or transition tag.

In the meantime, negotiations between Brees and the Chargers have continued all week. General manager A.J. Smith said he wanted to keep all three of his quarterbacks -- Brees, Philip Rivers and A.J. Feeley. Earlier this week, the Chargers worked out a two-year, $2 million deal for Feeley. Rivers is entering the third year of a six-year contract.

If Brees isn't signed to a new contract by March 3, he will be a free agent

Injury? Covered. Chargers keeping him? Covered. Next.

linkage, please?

Sorry BNB, I am late on the links. For some reason I couldn't get into the site yesterday Anyway, the Peter King one if from Monday's Monday Morning QB, and the ESPN one is from, well, I don't remember who wrote it. ESPN.com and go to the NFL page and you'll find it.

fhs623 · 02-22-2006, 09:56 AM

I'm not a big Drew Brees, myself either. I think the saints should look at Josh McCown. He's young and has experience. He is 9-10 as a starter wihtout withour much of an o-line.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-22-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I'll still take Leinart. That injury was nasty. I also think Leinart has more potential than Brees

Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore. The guy has proved himself as a top tier QB in this league. BTW it took him 3 years to get to that point.

I'd have more confidence in Leinart's potential if he had played on a weaker team that was up against better opposition (especially defensively). As it was USC virtually the best team around playing against inferior competition. Playing QB in the NFL is a galaxy's difference than playing in college.

Leinart is going to go from one of the best teams at the college level to a team that is rebuilding and has struggled recently. How is he going to handle that.

Brees has been there and done that. He has played second fiddle. He has overcome what was essentially a vote of no confidence in the selection of Rivers. He has excelled at the highest level of competition already.

So exactly how can Leinart have more potential?

SFIAH

FanNJ · 02-22-2006, 03:35 PM

Breese

Upside: Leader, confident, been through it all

Downside: Pretty bad sholder injury Can he return to form?

mjf150 · 02-22-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore.

Brees needs to deal in the potential to come back from a possible career threatening sholder injury. And as I've said in prior post, bringing in a "top free agent" does guarantee success anymore than a top draft pick. Ask the Saints about Kerry Collins. Talk to Buffalo about Drew Bledsoe. Speak to the Giants about Kurt Warner, who by the way had injury issues also. Or ask the Browns how well Garcia worked out. All of those QB had great success with their prior teams, just like Brees. In fact one could argue that all of the three that I named were more successful with their respective teams than Brees was with the Chargers.

BJSim · 02-22-2006, 04:39 PM

mjf150, On the other hand there's Bledsoe moving to Dallas, Brad Johnson moving to Tampa Bay and then back to Minnesota, Kerry Collins moing from NO to NYC and MOST IMPORTANTLY: Jake Plummer moving to Denver. You can make the arguement both ways. A QB move involves so many things, coaching, surrounding players, offensive scheming, defensive play, etc...

I think Brees would be a great addition, but there will be teams with more cap room that will snag him up.

mjf150 · 02-22-2006, 04:47 PM

I agree, some FA QB's can be successful on another team, but don't give me the argument that just because he is a "proven QB", he'll be successful on another team.

02-22-2006, 08:49 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	[quote="BlackandBlue"] Originally Posted by saintswhodi I'll asnwer you guys' queries with this: From Peter King: Obviously there's some hesitation about signing Brees because of surgery to repair a partially torn labrum. But this is a top-six or -seven quarterback right now, and he's 27. The players and doctors familiar with this surgery think there's no question he'll make a full recovery.[/quote] From ESPN: The Chargers have all but ruled out the possibility of placing the franchise or transition tag on quarterback Drew Brees, leaving them only two options: signing him to a new contract or letting him hit the free-agent market. For a month, the Chargers had been considering the transition designation for Brees following his shoulder surgery because it gave them the flexibility of keeping his rights but not offering him a guaranteed contract. But an interpretation from the NFL Management Council late this week scared them out of that concept. Because Brees had the franchise tag in 2005 and his $8.078 million salary was guaranteed, the league interpreted two things. First, the tender offer for Brees' transition tag would have to be at 120 percent of his 2005 salary instead of the 2006 quarterback transition number of $8.327 million. That means Brees would have to be offered $9.7 million by the Chargers. Second, there can be a case made that because his principle terms of the 2005 franchise tag was guaranteed, Brees' 2006 transition tag could also be considered a guaranteed offer. The Chargers could ask for a hearing to determine whether that was the case or not, but instead have ruled out giving him the franchise or transition tag. In the meantime, negotiations between Brees and the Chargers have continued all week. General manager A.J. Smith said he wanted to keep all three of his quarterbacks -- Brees, Philip Rivers and A.J. Feeley. Earlier this week, the Chargers worked out a two-year, $2 million deal for Feeley. Rivers is entering the third year of a six-year contract. If Brees isn't signed to a new contract by March 3, he will be a free agent Injury? Covered. Chargers keeping him? Covered. Next. linkage, please? Sorry BNB, I am late on the links. For some reason I couldn't get into the site yesterday Anyway, the Peter King one if from Monday's Monday Morning QB, and the ESPN one is from, well, I don't remember who wrote it. ESPN.com and go to the NFL page and you'll find it.

02-22-2006, 09:56 AM	#15
fhs623 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 137	I'm not a big Drew Brees, myself either. I think the saints should look at Josh McCown. He's young and has experience. He is 9-10 as a starter wihtout withour much of an o-line.
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02-22-2006, 03:12 PM	#16
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: RE: Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheDeuce I'll still take Leinart. That injury was nasty. I also think Leinart has more potential than Brees Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore. The guy has proved himself as a top tier QB in this league. BTW it took him 3 years to get to that point. I'd have more confidence in Leinart's potential if he had played on a weaker team that was up against better opposition (especially defensively). As it was USC virtually the best team around playing against inferior competition. Playing QB in the NFL is a galaxy's difference than playing in college. Leinart is going to go from one of the best teams at the college level to a team that is rebuilding and has struggled recently. How is he going to handle that. Brees has been there and done that. He has played second fiddle. He has overcome what was essentially a vote of no confidence in the selection of Rivers. He has excelled at the highest level of competition already. So exactly how can Leinart have more potential? SFIAH
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02-22-2006, 03:35 PM	#17
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees Breese Upside: Leader, confident, been through it all Downside: Pretty bad sholder injury Can he return to form?
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02-22-2006, 04:16 PM	#18
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 726	Re: RE: Drew Brees Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Brees doesn't need to deal in potential anymore. Brees needs to deal in the potential to come back from a possible career threatening sholder injury. And as I've said in prior post, bringing in a "top free agent" does guarantee success anymore than a top draft pick. Ask the Saints about Kerry Collins. Talk to Buffalo about Drew Bledsoe. Speak to the Giants about Kurt Warner, who by the way had injury issues also. Or ask the Browns how well Garcia worked out. All of those QB had great success with their prior teams, just like Brees. In fact one could argue that all of the three that I named were more successful with their respective teams than Brees was with the Chargers.
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02-21-2006, 08:52 PM	#11
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	Screw Brees. Let him rehabilitate on someone else's dime, we don't need consecutive AB situations here. I'm in a bad mood, dammit, so don't mess.

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02-22-2006, 06:36 AM	#12
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Something like this would be the only reason I would trade down rather than simply drafting Leinart. However, Brees would have to sign a long term contract with only one year's worth of guaranteed money up front. Overall, I'd probably rather have Leinart and get a FA OT that is as good a T as Bress is a QB. That probably can't happen either, but passing on Leinart must be done with immense pause and reflection. If Mickey is even partially considering taking Young instead of Leinart, then we should trade down and get Bress if we can.

02-22-2006, 07:57 AM	#13
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	If we want to gamble sure go for it. But it better be a salary based on his play and VERY CAP friendly

02-22-2006, 04:39 PM	#19
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees mjf150, On the other hand there's Bledsoe moving to Dallas, Brad Johnson moving to Tampa Bay and then back to Minnesota, Kerry Collins moing from NO to NYC and MOST IMPORTANTLY: Jake Plummer moving to Denver. You can make the arguement both ways. A QB move involves so many things, coaching, surrounding players, offensive scheming, defensive play, etc... I think Brees would be a great addition, but there will be teams with more cap room that will snag him up.

02-22-2006, 04:47 PM	#20
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 726	RE: Re: RE: Drew Brees I agree, some FA QB's can be successful on another team, but don't give me the argument that just because he is a "proven QB", he'll be successful on another team.
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