Payton interested in Cutler?

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 11:27 AM

I am going to start up my FanNJ fan club. LOL. Thanx Fan. I'm not saying we are joined at the hip but its good to see that someone understands what I am talking about.

saintswhodi · 02-28-2006, 11:28 AM

Leinarts only pressure was keeping the win streak alive which the team failed to do. I don't highly regard him as he is more of a product of system and talent around him, and I think that will be quikley exposed wherever he plays in the NFL. Would you consider Greise the greatest QB to play the Game because the Dolphins won under him? I would not. Was he a winner because of the team and cast absolutly, and Leinart is no different.

Only pressure wa to keep the streak alive? The streak that HE STARTED? Is this a joke? Has to be. And who cares about Griese? How many superbowls did he win? Your analogies do not fit and make zero sense. Are you talking about the fact the he QB'd the undefeated team? Why would that make him better than an Elway or Montana who won multiple superbowls? Try again.

When it comes to Brooks I'll make no secret of it. No matter who is drafted they won't beat him out if he is kept for some reason or another . There are no if ands or buts about it, and I doubt they are just going to release him. Am I calling for his head no. If he is released or traded do I want the highest quality replacement that can come in start and win games. Yes.

When it comes to highest quality replacement, that=Leinart. Or, personally, I would not ***** if we got Drew Brees. But a blind squirrel could turn the ball over more than we scored, could lead the leaguein red zone turnovers(2004) or could lead theleague in lost fumbles(2003). OR never EVER complete 60% of his passes in a season.

Would Tom Brady have had the same 4 years if he was on the Texans with the same Texans team that Carr Played with (honestly I think you can understand that analogy). Of course he would not be as sucessfull as where he is now

What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 11:30 AM

LOLOL....like I said....IF I'm not mistaken...;0) Quick question though and I ask this cause I really don't remember....How many games did Blake play that season?

gandhi1007 · 02-28-2006, 11:32 AM

C'mon.

O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?

FanNJ · 02-28-2006, 11:43 AM

If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?

Just Rumors I'll believe it when I see it.

FanNJ · 02-28-2006, 11:48 AM

What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

It's called an analogy...What's not to understand.
OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy.

USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5.

This should have been a Wonderlink question

BJSim · 02-28-2006, 11:50 AM

FatiusJeebs, Blake started the first 11 games and had a record of 7-3.5 (he was injured the last game so I'm only crediting him with half that loss). Brooks finished the last five and had a record of 3-2 regular season and 1-1 playoffs.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 12:02 PM

Funny.....I really tried to keep Brooks out of this one but you guys are sooo hellbent on Lienart and the anti-Brooks movement that common sense has left the building for you guys. How could you say Brady had no talent? A. Smith was awesome during his younger years. Troy Brown has good hands. The defense was spectacular. Where do you get the idea that Brady had a bad squad? Or at least a squad not able to contend? No one here is saying that Lienart sux. Thuth is, however, the man has had the best of the best and he really doesn't know what pressure is. What we are saying is.. Cutler had crap and he made crap respectable. What could he possibly do if he had better or even the best crap? ;0) I know this arguement can go both ways but remember guys...I live in Miami. I am a big Hurricane fan. And I know for SURE that QB's that kick ass in college and win Heisman Trophies don't account for crap most of the time. Of all the QB's that UM had that were successful between 1980 and 2005 how many can you name that made a dent in the NFL? I can only think of 3. Kelly, Kosar, and Testaverde. What happened to Toretta? Kicked ass in college..Hiesman winner....SQUAT! How about Walsh? We all know that answer. HEY what about Ken Dorsey? So far...no news. So for all of you who feel that Lienart had great collegiate success...knows how to run a winning program and should do well in the NFL becuase of it....please be very very careful.

Euphoria · 02-28-2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

C'mon.

O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?

Hold the phone... I can't seem to collect any thoughts after reading this... Brooks has more talent around him than Brady??? Did I read this correctly??? You my friend should definately give up being a fan of football, and I am taking your Saints fan ID card, and revoking your manhood.

saintswhodi · 02-28-2006, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

It's called an analogy...What's not to understand.
OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy.

USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5.

This should have been a Wonderlink question

Analogies have to fit to make sense. Yours don't. That's what's not to understand. And as I said FIVE POSTS AGO, we can't take Leinart and put him on Vandy, so it's a dumb thing to keep saying. As it is, Leinart grades out as the highest QB in forever, cutler does not. Live with it, and stop making piss poor analogies.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Leinarts only pressure was keeping the win streak alive which the team failed to do. I don't highly regard him as he is more of a product of system and talent around him, and I think that will be quikley exposed wherever he plays in the NFL. Would you consider Greise the greatest QB to play the Game because the Dolphins won under him? I would not. Was he a winner because of the team and cast absolutly, and Leinart is no different. Only pressure wa to keep the streak alive? The streak that HE STARTED? Is this a joke? Has to be. And who cares about Griese? How many superbowls did he win? Your analogies do not fit and make zero sense. Are you talking about the fact the he QB'd the undefeated team? Why would that make him better than an Elway or Montana who won multiple superbowls? Try again. When it comes to Brooks I'll make no secret of it. No matter who is drafted they won't beat him out if he is kept for some reason or another . There are no if ands or buts about it, and I doubt they are just going to release him. Am I calling for his head no. If he is released or traded do I want the highest quality replacement that can come in start and win games. Yes. When it comes to highest quality replacement, that=Leinart. Or, personally, I would not ***** if we got Drew Brees. But a blind squirrel could turn the ball over more than we scored, could lead the leaguein red zone turnovers(2004) or could lead theleague in lost fumbles(2003). OR never EVER complete 60% of his passes in a season. Would Tom Brady have had the same 4 years if he was on the Texans with the same Texans team that Carr Played with (honestly I think you can understand that analogy). Of course he would not be as sucessfull as where he is now What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS?

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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton inter LOLOL....like I said....IF I'm not mistaken...;0) Quick question though and I ask this cause I really don't remember....How many games did Blake play that season?
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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton interested in C'mon. O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him?
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FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton interested in What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS? It's called an analogy...What's not to understand. OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy. USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5. This should have been a Wonderlink question
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BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton interested in FatiusJeebs, Blake started the first 11 games and had a record of 7-3.5 (he was injured the last game so I'm only crediting him with half that loss). Brooks finished the last five and had a record of 3-2 regular season and 1-1 playoffs.

02-28-2006, 12:02 PM	#38
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton interested in Funny.....I really tried to keep Brooks out of this one but you guys are sooo hellbent on Lienart and the anti-Brooks movement that common sense has left the building for you guys. How could you say Brady had no talent? A. Smith was awesome during his younger years. Troy Brown has good hands. The defense was spectacular. Where do you get the idea that Brady had a bad squad? Or at least a squad not able to contend? No one here is saying that Lienart sux. Thuth is, however, the man has had the best of the best and he really doesn't know what pressure is. What we are saying is.. Cutler had crap and he made crap respectable. What could he possibly do if he had better or even the best crap? ;0) I know this arguement can go both ways but remember guys...I live in Miami. I am a big Hurricane fan. And I know for SURE that QB's that kick ass in college and win Heisman Trophies don't account for crap most of the time. Of all the QB's that UM had that were successful between 1980 and 2005 how many can you name that made a dent in the NFL? I can only think of 3. Kelly, Kosar, and Testaverde. What happened to Toretta? Kicked ass in college..Hiesman winner....SQUAT! How about Walsh? We all know that answer. HEY what about Ken Dorsey? So far...no news. So for all of you who feel that Lienart had great collegiate success...knows how to run a winning program and should do well in the NFL becuase of it....please be very very careful.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton intereste Originally Posted by gandhi1007 C'mon. O.K., Cutler had a lack of talent at Vandy. He still didn't win. Tom Brady, during their 1st championship year, had a lack of talent as well. Their starting RB is now our 2nd-3rd stringer. He had receivers like Troy Brown & David Patten (hardly Pro Bowl material) & he won the Super Bowl. Brooks, who had far more talent on offense than Brady consistently killed his team. However, it is pointless to argue with you, because you are obviously hellbent on hating Leinart & defending Brooks. But ponder this: If Leinart was not that good, would the Jets be willing to give up John Abraham (a perrenial Pro-Bowler) & a sh**load of picks to move up to get him? Hold the phone... I can't seem to collect any thoughts after reading this... Brooks has more talent around him than Brady??? Did I read this correctly??? You my friend should definately give up being a fan of football, and I am taking your Saints fan ID card, and revoking your manhood.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Payton intereste Originally Posted by FanNJ What does Tom Brady on a different PRO TEAM have to do with Cutler and Leinart being on different COLLEGE TEAMS? It's called an analogy...What's not to understand. OK lets make it easy for ya. Put Cutler of the same USC team and then make a comparison. Give the guy all day to throw to talented recievers and backs, and tight ends, and the numbers will jump off the chart, but we can't do that because he played at F ing Vandy. USC has 5 Players from offense that are potential first round picks. 5. This should have been a Wonderlink question Analogies have to fit to make sense. Yours don't. That's what's not to understand. And as I said FIVE POSTS AGO, we can't take Leinart and put him on Vandy, so it's a dumb thing to keep saying. As it is, Leinart grades out as the highest QB in forever, cutler does not. Live with it, and stop making piss poor analogies.