How long do you think it will be until...?

papz · 03-05-2006, 04:59 PM

How long do you think it will be until Jamaal Brown takes over at left tackle? And, do you think Jon Stinchcomb will ever be able to contribute for us?

spkb25 · 03-05-2006, 05:04 PM

bro i hope it is this year. i hope that both things happen this year. i thought brown played well as a rookie. i think it was actually a good pick by the has team that could be good for us for some years.

spkb25 · 03-05-2006, 05:06 PM

with the new coach is there anyway we could trade joe and arron on draft day to add some picks this year or next. not meaning to trade them next year just meaning add picks next year. i would like to have two years of good picks. let me know what you guys think

jrmllb · 03-05-2006, 05:10 PM

trade AB and somebody and get something

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-06-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by jrmllb

trade AB and somebody and get something

Everyone knows the Saints are trapped with Brooks. Why would anyone in their right mind trade for a $6 + $7 million pair of base salaries in 2006 and 2007?

Brooks will not be traded. He will be cut. The Saints will get no compensation for Brooks.

The FO is probably just waiting to see how the CBA thing works out. If the CBA fails, as I understand it, then any cap related monies for 2007 will fold instantly into 2006. So while under normal circumstances a cut after June 1 would result in a two year split of the remaining bonus money, I believe that if the CBA fails and the 2007 year is uncapped, that you'd have to take the entire bonus hit at the time of the cut. It's the difference between $2 million and change against the cap and $4 million and a bit more change.

In any case the Saints are stuck with either paying Brooks his $6 million salary and taking a $8+ million cap hit [which is so not happening] or we cut him and take the $2 or $4 million cap hit but save the salary.

Trading isn't an option. You can forget it for now. Payton could possibly play a shell game by holding on to Brooks into the preseason trying to bait someone into trading during camp. Wasn't that how Brooks came to the Saints in 2000? If no other QB get injured and no team takes the bait, simply cut Brooks during the normal August camp cuts.

In any case as long as he is not on the 53 man roster for the 1st game, the Saints do not have to pay him his salary for the year.
And if he is signed after the season starts, then any salaries paid are not guaranteed IIRC.

SFIAH

saintswhodi · 03-06-2006, 05:35 PM

Moving Jamaal Brown to LT is a HORRIBLE idea. He has played RT his whole football career. Why not keep him at RT where he belongs? We tried this with Turley, it failed. We tried moving LeCharles to center, which he had played some in college, and to a man we ALL agree he was a much better guard. Why would we again take a guy who is a stud at the position he plays, and try to move him? Terrible idea, IMO.

papz · 03-06-2006, 06:28 PM

Didn't know ya felt that way... actually I'd kind of have to agree with you there. I just thought because so many people feel that he's so talented, he would eventually make that move to the other side. Well that's the impression I got when he was drafted... when Gandy retires or cut, he would make that move. If it ain't broke, why fix it IMO.

So basically this leads us to Stinchy... a healthy Stinchy capable to anchoring the left side of the line? He was improving before his injury... think he could supplant Gandy with a strong off season?

JKool · 03-06-2006, 06:32 PM

I hate to say it guys, but Stinchcomb is developing way too slowly for my tastes. Sure it is possible he could play left guard, but, if he had it, you'd think he'd have shown it by now. I am very much starting to believe that Stinch is nothing but a hope of ours.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-06-2006, 11:22 PM

..isn't Leinart a lefty??

hagan714 · 03-07-2006, 09:33 AM

Lefty yes. so Brown works out good. If that is the way we go then right is left and left is right. But the D will have to shift to make it work. Can Brown keep up with faster DE? I think so. So if we do go matt the LOT wont have to cost us a fortune. Right? Grady is getting 4 million this year so his salary is ok but it can go a long way to upgrading LOT. Jon was haz choice at LOT but Haz always played guys out of position. I see him at G. Then we can dump mayberry salary and keep Jacox. F/A or drafted C that can stsrt is prime.
As for brooks who knows payton keep collins in NY and made him $$ with oaklsnd as a FA.
Brooks sign a cap friendly 3 year deal and is mentor to VY as our #2 pick.

The first part about brooks makes sense.

03-05-2006, 04:59 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	How long do you think it will be until...? How long do you think it will be until Jamaal Brown takes over at left tackle? And, do you think Jon Stinchcomb will ever be able to contribute for us?

03-05-2006, 05:06 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: How long do you think it will be until...? with the new coach is there anyway we could trade joe and arron on draft day to add some picks this year or next. not meaning to trade them next year just meaning add picks next year. i would like to have two years of good picks. let me know what you guys think

03-05-2006, 05:10 PM	#4
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: How long do you think it will be until...? trade AB and somebody and get something

03-06-2006, 05:19 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: RE: How long do you think it will be until...? Originally Posted by jrmllb trade AB and somebody and get something Everyone knows the Saints are trapped with Brooks. Why would anyone in their right mind trade for a $6 + $7 million pair of base salaries in 2006 and 2007? Brooks will not be traded. He will be cut. The Saints will get no compensation for Brooks. The FO is probably just waiting to see how the CBA thing works out. If the CBA fails, as I understand it, then any cap related monies for 2007 will fold instantly into 2006. So while under normal circumstances a cut after June 1 would result in a two year split of the remaining bonus money, I believe that if the CBA fails and the 2007 year is uncapped, that you'd have to take the entire bonus hit at the time of the cut. It's the difference between $2 million and change against the cap and $4 million and a bit more change. In any case the Saints are stuck with either paying Brooks his $6 million salary and taking a $8+ million cap hit [which is so not happening] or we cut him and take the $2 or $4 million cap hit but save the salary. Trading isn't an option. You can forget it for now. Payton could possibly play a shell game by holding on to Brooks into the preseason trying to bait someone into trading during camp. Wasn't that how Brooks came to the Saints in 2000? If no other QB get injured and no team takes the bait, simply cut Brooks during the normal August camp cuts. In any case as long as he is not on the 53 man roster for the 1st game, the Saints do not have to pay him his salary for the year. And if he is signed after the season starts, then any salaries paid are not guaranteed IIRC. SFIAH
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03-07-2006, 09:33 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Lefty yes. so Brown works out good. If that is the way we go then right is left and left is right. But the D will have to shift to make it work. Can Brown keep up with faster DE? I think so. So if we do go matt the LOT wont have to cost us a fortune. Right? Grady is getting 4 million this year so his salary is ok but it can go a long way to upgrading LOT. Jon was haz choice at LOT but Haz always played guys out of position. I see him at G. Then we can dump mayberry salary and keep Jacox. F/A or drafted C that can stsrt is prime. As for brooks who knows payton keep collins in NY and made him $$ with oaklsnd as a FA. Brooks sign a cap friendly 3 year deal and is mentor to VY as our #2 pick. The first part about brooks makes sense.
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03-05-2006, 05:04 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: How long do you think it will be until...? bro i hope it is this year. i hope that both things happen this year. i thought brown played well as a rookie. i think it was actually a good pick by the has team that could be good for us for some years.

03-06-2006, 05:35 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Moving Jamaal Brown to LT is a HORRIBLE idea. He has played RT his whole football career. Why not keep him at RT where he belongs? We tried this with Turley, it failed. We tried moving LeCharles to center, which he had played some in college, and to a man we ALL agree he was a much better guard. Why would we again take a guy who is a stud at the position he plays, and try to move him? Terrible idea, IMO.

03-06-2006, 06:28 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Didn't know ya felt that way... actually I'd kind of have to agree with you there. I just thought because so many people feel that he's so talented, he would eventually make that move to the other side. Well that's the impression I got when he was drafted... when Gandy retires or cut, he would make that move. If it ain't broke, why fix it IMO. So basically this leads us to Stinchy... a healthy Stinchy capable to anchoring the left side of the line? He was improving before his injury... think he could supplant Gandy with a strong off season?

03-06-2006, 06:32 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I hate to say it guys, but Stinchcomb is developing way too slowly for my tastes. Sure it is possible he could play left guard, but, if he had it, you'd think he'd have shown it by now. I am very much starting to believe that Stinch is nothing but a hope of ours.

03-06-2006, 11:22 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	..isn't Leinart a lefty??