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What I have been saying all along is going to happen, the Saints are going to sign 1 or 2 veteran QB's and trade down in the draft. I was wrong about who those QB's would be, but none the less on the right track.

If we sign Brees and then McNown, Kitna, Ferotte, or Ramsay as backup, cut Brooks and Bouman, we will trade down in the draft with the Jets and pick up, guess who:

THE HAWK!!!!!!!!!

and that means we won't draft Leinart. Sorry, but the news is coming soon.

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dude that aj hawk to me seems like he could be very very good.

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I'd be happy with signing Brees.

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Hawk, Witherspoon, and Abdul Hodge....the next Dome Patrol.

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I just don't think that Brees is worth the kind of money that he's going to be getting in free agency. Just my opinion. But I guess I'd be happy with an improved defense, but I just don't think I'd be able to stand seeing us pass on our franchise QB.

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Its classic, wanting to eat the cookie and still have it left. If we draft Leinart and don't tak care about the defence we'll still be stuck i mediocracy. And the other way around. I woul like to see both Hawk and Leinart in black and gold but thats not likly to happen.

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much agreed Deuce......chance to have a franchise face for the club and not someone elses throwaways,,,,
........IMFO!

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I don't see Brees as a "throwaways", I think it's about the money for the Chargers, a lot of teams would love to have Brees on their team, I know I would.
We know what Brees can and cannot do, drafting a QB is quite opposite, your taking a chance and hoping he comes around, don't get me wrong, if Brees isn't in the picture I'd draft a QB because we all know we need one.

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i would LOVE to have leinart, but if we are able to get brees and hawk, i would still be happy.

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I don't see why we would overspend money that could be used to sign players like Witherspoon or numerous other players when we can draft a guy who is so highly rated coming out of college. And they say "he should make a full recovery," but they don't know when he'll be ready to play. What if he's not ready until the middle of the season? What if he re-injures the shoulder? I just think we don't need to OVERSPEND, like we usually do, on a guy who is coming off a serious injury.

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Deuce - They have stated MANY times that Drew Brees WILL be ready for Minicamp in May, which is exactly when EVERYONE else will be ready to get started.

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Well Deuce, if there are so many questions about Brees's health, then why is there such a heated competition to sign him? NFL teams do have their own doctors. I seriously doubt that either the Saints' or Dolphins' medical staffs have not already evaluated his shoulder.

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wheelman i just kinda said the ssame thing and i also put a lot of faith into saban and mueller

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Guys, don't get me wrong, I think Brees would be a great addition. But spending several million dollars for a guy who just suffered an awful injury is a little bit scary. Do you agree?

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I agree with the statement that Saban and Mueller may make a dumb decision apart every now and then but the two guys together on this, they know he's going to make a full recovery and oddly enough we know that too. So screw all the other teams that don't have the sense to bid on him. I can feel the excitement in the dome already. Hawk and Brees and if we can sign Arrington or Spoon, a good DT and CB we are set dudes, we are set.

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If we do get LaVar or Witherspoon why not draft Ferguson so that our O-line will be solidified, minus the need at center.

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Don't count your chickens just yet, Cheramie. Assuming the Saints do sign Brees and trade down in the draft, there is a high possibility that Ferguson is still there. If that is the case, I'd look for him to be drafted and Gandy cut. I think someone posted earlier how it would be great to have two bookend tackles. Could you imagine D'Brick and Jamaal Brown protecting Drew Brees? Helping open holes for Deuce? I'm not saying that I'd take D'Brick over Hawk, but that is always a possibility.

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if we can get brees and i would assume from what we are going to pay the guy he will be our guy. if that is so and we aren't drafting a qb we can trae down get some real good players sign a couple of free agents then i am going to like this season i think. is anyone else liking what we are doing so far. grant it we do need to make these things happen and not just talk about them

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I say take a pass on Ferguson. There are other underrated tackles in the draft. Pick Hawk in round 1, Hodge and Whitworth in round 2.

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I agree with ya somewhat and I think we should go after Mangold at #34 or the best offensive lineman left if he's gone. I think we might pick up a veteran center in free agency and I truly believe Stinchcomb will be fine. This is all based on us signing Brees.

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I did not see Ferguson play in college, but I did watch his practices. He was AMAZING. They put him up against the TOP senior DEs and he made them look like high school Freshman. I wouldn't mind Hawk either though. He would be a great enforcer. I usually hate when we draft OL in the first round. I think it is a waist, but I really believe this is a once in a decade player.

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I'm with Deuce here, I don't feel comfortable throwing all this money at a guy who's coming off a major injury. A couple years down the road when Leinart is the next Montana and leading some other franchise to a super bowls we are going to be kicking ourselves. With all these qb's signing with teams in the top part of the draft, who's to say that the raiders and jets will have qb's and won't be looking to trade up. I can possibly see a scenario where we could wind up in a situation where the best we could do would be the Lions at 9 where both Hawk (who's way overrated anyways) and Brick will be gone. Would you guys feel comfortable drafting Brick or Hawk at 2? Just something to think about...

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I definitely don't think we should draft Brick. He's a good player, but now with the open hole at Center, and the holes already at other positions like LB and DT, we don't need to draft OT. We have pretty good bookends, and while they're not spectacular, we shouldn't use our top draft pick to try and upgrade a little bit.

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Ferguson is way too good to pass up. The Jets have already stated they are looking to trade up, oh and one other thing didn't Leinart recently come back from major knee surgery? Oh yeah what about that. Haha. Good posts guys. I love this place.

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if...big if...we do land brees, i would rather have hawk than brick.

the only way i could justify drafting brick would be if we landed both witherspoon and brees in FA.

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That is why I am excited about the Drew Brees race. If we do get him we don't have to pick up a QB with the 2nd pick in the draft. With this we open our options. We can.......Keep the pick and draft Leinart, Young, or Cutler, trade the pick and select a multitude of players. The options are endless.

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That's really the million dollar question. If we land Brees.....

It really opens up lot of options. If we could land Bart Scott (mlb-ravens) and one other quality LB, such as Witherspoon, Arrington or Peterson we'd really have a lot of the defense fixed. Drafting a guy like Hawk would possibly give us the most elite LB corps in the entire league.

The draft is really deep in Tackles so we could likely pick up a starter at LT in round 2.

With a FA center and kicker, I'd feel really good about our offseason.

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Ummmm, I don't remember major knee surgery. I remember he had minor elbow surgery before his senior season.

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He wears a knee brace. He had knee surgery. Also Elbow is worse than knee to me so if that is true I am now VERY skeptical.

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..well, no, Leinart had elbow surgery to remove tendonitis over a year ago, which is very different from a torn rotator cuff... and the key words are he came back...

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Yes he did, and that goes for both players.

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I want Leinart too and I can see where most Leinart supporters are coming from. Let's stop the infatuation and look at winning this year though.

I just think it makes more football sense to sign Brees. Media coverage will always speculate and play devils advocate. Their job is to get people to read and watch and obviously it works. However if Mueller wants to sign the guy that bad, I'd be willing to trust his judgement that he'll be good next year. We could get him, and trade down or pick Hawk or Ferguson. I think this makes us a much better team than just getting Leinart alone, who like any rookie QB, has a ways to go to get to Brees's level of understanding the game.

You guys wait and see. Next draft Brady Quinn will be even more hyped than Leinart. Passing up on Leinart isn't the worst thing the Saints could do. There's always another franchise QB waiting in the wings.

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..you know... good point... although the Saints would have to almost tank it to have a shot at Quinn next year... good point nonetheless...

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Very good point Gold.....Our team would be improved with either guy but I'm starting to think that Brees makes more sense when you consider the other talent in this years draft...
And this coming from the bigest SC homer on this board. :fanclub:

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Mighty, can you show a link stating the Jets are looking to trade up please. You seem so sure about it that I would just like to see it. The Jets are interested in signing Ramsey and have way too many holes to trade up. Brees is definately an upgrade at qb but I want to see Leinart in black and gold.

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looks like i need a new pic.... man I really really really really really really wanted leinart.... think we are screwing up ....... but oh well heres to A.J. :cheers:

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OK, show me a link that says Leinart had major knee surgery. And his elbow surgery was minor tendonitis surgery before his senior season; and he didn't seem to be affected by that much now did he?

Haha, and NOW you're skeptical? Because of a minor surgery which he has fully recovered from and played through an entire season with? "Which brings me to my next point, don't smoke crack."

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Is all of this really necessary???

Leinart is a good prospect. Brees is a good NFL QB. I think the team is approaching the future properly by making Brees our primary target. No one knows how they are going to approach the draft, because they almost always surprise us. Regardless of what they do in the draft, going after Brees is a good idea.

I think we can all agree that we are not at the point of rebuilding, and we can't afford the luxury of pinning the franchise's hopes this year on a rookie QB. If all of the pieces are in place, this team can make a run at the playoffs. If Hurricane Katrina had not happened, maybe the team can afford to wait for Leinart to develop. This is probably the most important upcoming season in the history of the Saints franchise, and that shouldn't be underestimated. Maybe the team is planning to still draft Leinart. Maybe not. In either case, Brees makes sense.

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This is for both the Deuce and Livina I can't find the article but I do remember seeing on NFL Network that they had a talk about the Jets trading for Leinart, but that was before Pennington restructured his contract, so I will concede that one. As for the deuce I also don't see any articles on Leinarts knee, but I can't find any on his elbow either so I concede that one. Good job guys.

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Haha wow, is this a joke? So you make something up, I call you out for it, and then you try to pretend like what I said wasn't real either? Yikes. Go to Yahoo! or ESPN.com, search "matt leinart surgery" and you'll find 10+ articles about his minor surgery that didn't even require him to be hospitalized. Here's one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...ncf&id=1977179

You really do sound familiar....